Yoruichi-san
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Fair enough, mon capitan, but that would be one loooonnng table ;P
Nice catch tho...I wasn't sure it you were allowed to move the boxes due to language differences and translation issues, etc
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Ohhhhh so that's what you were thinking...lol...tres ingenieux
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Bon-chan brings up some good points, but thinking about them gives me a headache, so...
...and calculate the expected value
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If every answer really corresponded to a probability of being correct when randomly chosen, then the expected value of being correct would be (1/4)*(.25+.5+1+.25)=.5, so I'm going with b)50%Migraine averted
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The first period was elongated to allow for strategy forming. Subsequent periods should be able to go fairly quickly.
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Lol, well as an engineer, I do try to be as
lazy*cough* efficient as possible...Denoting the gods as A,B, and C for simplicity...
1st question: Ask A, "Would B answer yes (or 'whatever in his language means yes' if you need to be that specific) to the question 'Is C the random god?'"
If he can't answer, then B is the random god. In this case, there are a couple ways you could go. The simplest IMO is probably to ask A, like, "Would you answer yes if I asked you 'Is the sky blue'?" or something like that that tells you which of his answers means yes (or no), and then for the last question ask "Is the sky blue" to determine which of A and C is the liar and truthteller.
If A did answer the first question, then either A or C is the random god, and B is definitely not the random god. In this case, take note of what he just said, and move on to B. Ask B, "Would C answer yes (or 'whatever in his language means yes') to the question 'Did A just say [insert whatever A just said]'?" (or 'Is the sky blue' or any question that is true I suppose...
)If B can't answer question 2, then C is the random god, and whatever A answered previously means 'no' in A's language. So move back to A and ask him 'Is the sky blue' or some such to determine which of A and B is the liar and the truthteller.
If B did answer question 2, A is the random god and whatever B just answered means 'no'. So then ask him 'Is the sky blue' to determine which of B and C is the liar and the truthteller.
(Of course, if you want to be technical you can always replace 'Is the sky blue' with a more undisputable mathematical question, like "does 1+1=2?" or logical question, like "Does yes mean yes?", but I just like to use it in these problems
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Just to be clear:
Voting period 2 ends at 9pm CST on Tuesday, 2/19.
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Lol well personally I'd trust an analysis of, like, the culture based on many artifacts (art, tablets, etc) over what one person testifies to...especially after they've been paid off in Oreos by phaze (yes, it is truly the food of the gods)...;P
Have you been to a modern art gallery? It is that just based on paintings one gets the impression that there is no 'social awkwardness' at having unexpected company whilst being sans clothes. Victorian era religious based art being possibly the worst offender in this misunderstanding. For this reason I'd rather some recent portrayal that is not from the cookie monster.
Wait, whaaaaa??? First off, how is modern art related to Victorian art? And show me examples of these so called Victorian era religious art that you speak of...do you mean like the depictions of Jesus on the cross? I don't think anyone would 'misunderstand' an emaciated figure of christ dying or any sort of depiction that gives a naked figure a dark, 'punished' tone as suggestive of social freedom in clothing...
I have been to art galleries, thank you very much, although I dislike modern art. I.e. the Tate Modern was not to my taste, but the British Museum, the Louvre, the Musee D'Orsay, etc I adored.
And it's not 'the cookie monster' making this analysis based on the artifacts (including, but not limited to the art) from those eras, it's archeologists, anthropologists, etc. For example, in Egypt, the top hem of women's dresses could be worn below the breasts, i.e. revealing the breasts...would that have been acceptable in the Victorian era?
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The results are in:
Aura: 103
Panther: 87.5
Brainy: 62.5
Flame: 61
Marksmanjay: 29
Molly Mae: 15
Framm: 1
Phil: 1
Phil, Framm, MM, and Jay will be moving on to the next round! Aura, Panther, Brainy, Flame, and Rob have now accrued a debt of 100mil BD$ each.
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A little over an hour left...send in your positions! Thanks.
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Oooh...I know this is definitely not what the OP intended, but I can't resist...
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I win
(well, until someone finds a coin with two rhombuses drawn on it 
)Edit: Oh wait, it has 3 rhombuses drawn on it! Beat that...lol
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It does say in the OP that "the gods respond only to yes-no questions"...(paragraph 2, 4th sentence)
I meant to ask, what happens if you ask the lying god, "Is your answer to this question a lie?"
True would answer "no" definitely, but it's a paradox for Lie.
Ask two of them, "will the random god answer whatever means 'yes' in his language to the next question?", only Random can answer, so this tells you who Random is.
Use last question as above if acceptable.
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Lol well personally I'd trust an analysis of, like, the culture based on many artifacts (art, tablets, etc) over what one person testifies to...especially after they've been paid off in Oreos by phaze (yes, it is truly the food of the gods)...;P
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I see...
Actually the puzzle I linked had the same setup for 2. @bon-chan.
A couple questions to TC:
1. Do the other two gods know what Random is going to answer before hand?
2. Are you allowed to ask questions that potentially do not have a definite answer? Can you take the totem's lack of an answer as an information source?
3. Are you allowed to ask questions that potentially create a paradox?
If you ask "Do you always lie?" to the lying god, does he not answer or his head explode ;P?
You could potentially use a strategy of using non-answers to ferret out the random god with the first two questions and the lying god with the last.
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I'd love to...but I have go to a dentist appt so I don't have time atm...
I'd like to point out that it's interesting to note that in earlier cultures, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, etc, there was actually less 'social awkwardness' at nakedness than in later cultures, like the Victorian era, which suggests that it didn't go from practical to embarrassing, but rather there was an evolution that went along with culture/historical movements (and religious movements).
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Um...I'm getting deja vu...is it something like
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No, you missed the "viewing from the side" part of my post. Viewed from the side, the coins look like lines ;P. Also, the OP doesn't specify the coins have to be the same coin, so you could do it easily by using 2 coins that have a diameter that is 2X and 3 coins that are a diameter of X, which, viewed in the third dimension, are lines with those lengths
Hai! That is yes..5 coins w/ 2 double diamater. Looks like a parallelogram with line in the middle.
OP should say "same coin" but i guess no one use 4 half-cut coins (or bitable coins) to make 8 diameters.
It seem to have 2 hexagons?
My angles were more...90 degrees
.If you want to use the same coin, you can stagger the stacking so that there is 3 coins in 'back' in one direction and 2 coins in 'front in a different direction. Then when you look at it from a front view, it 'seems' to be a grid of intersecting lines that form two rhombuses.
Sorry if I'm going on a completely different tangent than what the OP intended, to be honest, I'm not sure what the OP intends
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Well why don't any other species have the internet?
Humans do seem to have a higher brain capacity for like, technology (even simple ones like making thread...or fire for that matter!)The question of clothing is an interesting one, from a social evolutionary perspective. However it's inextricably intertwined with the evolution of culture/society as a whole which in turn is inextricably intertwined with history, and as much as I find evolutionary sociology/psychological fascinating, I am too lazy to tackle that question atm (although I've considered parts of it).
From a practical perspective, it's much simpler. There's the whole' maintaining heat so that you can hunt/gather farther/longer' issue as has been brought up. There's also like the protective qualities of clothing. And not just, like heavy hides and whatnot. Even thinner fabrics can protect from cuts and scratches, which, although in themselves not life-threatening, can be infected, especially before the invention of, like, penicillin
.And there's the whole terror of women's fashions in particular...the rib and organ malforming corsettes in Europe, those neck elongating rings in Africa, and the practice of bandaging feet to prevent them from growing in Asia...it's almost like society was saying 'the harder it is for you to run away/protect yourself from men, the more attractive you are'...*whistling*
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Lol...is my terminology really that hard to understand?
The exactness of the spacing isn't really important, as long as the 2nd person who enters places their cube noticeably behind the 1st in the Y direction, and the 3rd places theirs noticeably behind the 2nd's, etc. I specified that spacing in my solution to ensure the last few ppl who entered had room on the table to put their cubes,
in the case of limited space. 8 is actually not hard to space fairly accurately, since it's dividing in 2 three times, but if the number had been harder, as long as they make sure the last ppl have space, it doesn't need to be exact, since they're going in sequential order on Y.But I do like you solution too...lol...just need to smuggle in some invisible ink and a couple matches ;P
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Viewing from the side, there are several ways to do it with 5 with
US coins......or coins of other countries...
Flat face arcade coins will do. But the 3-D arrangement above looks like it has 7 triangles.
No, you missed the "viewing from the side" part of my post. Viewed from the side, the coins look like lines ;P. Also, the OP doesn't specify the coins have to be the same coin, so you could do it easily by using 2 coins that have a diameter that is 2X and 3 coins that are a diameter of X, which, viewed in the third dimension, are lines with those lengths
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Viewing from the side, there are several ways to do it with 5 with
US coins......or coins of other countries...
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The way I'm reading the problem it seems that row order is random, i.e. the last person does not need to have 8 on their back, so...
Due to the constraints of the problem (each of 1 to 8 must be used once and exactly once on the cubes and each back number must have +/- 1 the cube number), there is only one possible one the cubes can be allocated to the numbers, as TSLF specified previously. So if you know the person's back number, you know the person's cube number.
So the plan is this:
Calling the dimension parallel to the numbered squares X, and the dimension perpendicular Y, the nth person who enters places
their cube at Y=n/8 the distance from the row of numbered squares to the edge of the table, at X=the number he sees on the person in front of him or the number he knows they must have on their cube (they agree on which before hand). This will 'graph' the numbers, and the last person will be able to figure out where to place each box fairly easily by 'reading' it, and figure out which number the last person had by process of elimination.
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Am I on the right track?
as in "solving it by comparison"?
Yep, that is an important aspect of the device.
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There do seem some irregularities with the site. I can see the contents.
You might send a PM to Rookie1ja with your specifics.
I would have, instead of this post, but I don't know how simultaneously to PM to two people.
Lol...there's the convenient 'Other Recipients' field...send as 'Invitation' to include multiple ppl...
...or are you trolling? ;P
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