plasmid Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 I'm born of scholars' toil long Forsaken, no longer germane My time has come, my time has gone Anon it is coming again My words now few will understand They're twisted obscuring the truth And so they spread throughout the land Discernment requiring a sleuth In downward spiral, chaos calls Destroying the orderly life Until the ruler finally falls Thus bringing and end to this strife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Molly Mae Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 A yo-yo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Just a guess, but I saw a lot of historically based answers. Could the answer be history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Is there some way of using the "Spoiler" while replying while on the "Mobile" theme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 plasmid Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 This one's not about a revolution or social unrest except perhaps in a very tangential sort of way; I tend to riddle about more tangible stuff. Neither about Revelations, even though it's not a "forgotten" philosophy I would still consider it too close to the title's exclusion. I didn't have a cicada in mind, and am not clearly seeing how to stretch the metaphor that much, although maybe it would be possible. Also not about a yo-yo, I can clearly see how it would fit lines 3-4 and the last stanza, but less so the middle. It's funny that you should ask if the answer could be history. Well, yes actually. The answer could be history. That's not the answer to the riddle though. This bizarre and perhaps frustrating statement will become clear once the answer is discerned. I haven't used mobile devices, but I suspect that you could type [spoiler=" " with a close bracket, then your text, then [/spoiler with a close bracket to make stuff appear inside a spoiler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Molly Mae Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 A cipher. I have a particular one in mind, but I'll start with the general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Disease that the cure for was forgotten?....probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Shakeepuddn Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 I haven't checked any spoilers so I don't know if this has been offered yet. Latin dictionary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 plasmid Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 I can understand how a encryption in general and a Caesar cipher in particular would fit much of this well. If the answer were specifically a Caesar cipher, then I'd have trouble explaining the clue about how its time has come again. If the answer were encryption in general, then the last stanza about a downward spiral and ruler falling would be left hanging. Perhaps "wartime encryption" would work, although I tend to avoid stuff so intangible as an answer. It's also not an epidural or subdural hematoma. The stone age neurosurgeons were remarkable, but craniotomies would involve old blood and possibly clots falling rather than rulers. Old languages were brought up at one point, but were something I felt was too close to the title's exclusion of a forgotten philosophy to be a satisfying answer. If it's time for hinting yeta big step in solving this one is not finding a figurative interpretation in place of a literal statement, it's using a literal interpretation instead of a figurative one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DudleyDude Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 a dna mutation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 tiger_lily111 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 mRNA ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 plasmid Posted October 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 I like the nucleic acid answers. A double helix and mRNA secondary structure are good literal interpretations of the twisted words. They're not what I had in mind. The part about my time coming and going and coming again is an important clue that doesn't clearly apply to a mutation, unless you're a molecular biologist who understands mismatch repair machinery, something I wouldn't want to have as a requisite background for a riddle answer. It would've been fair game if I asked this to my lab though. mRNA likewise is relatively quickly degraded and resynthesized to fit the first stanza, but would be a tougher fit for the last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 tiger_lily111 Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) (I was thinking of peptide codons for twisted words & 2' protein structure & the subunits dissociating at the end of an assembly for the last stanza.) Ah well, will think on it some over the weekend. (after margaritas tonight) Edited October 15, 2011 by tiger_lily111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Code or Encryption. All of our email and such sent by computer these days are encrypted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Molly Mae Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 The telephone system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 The Fall of Alexandria in 641 A.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 an ancient tradition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) chain email (i.e u know that ptless mail that everyone gets telling u to pass it on or u get sucked up by alien cows and then die of course-_-'..... u know that nonsense) but i can't see how it would fit everyth which is why i know it's wrong but hey why not Edited October 15, 2011 by guppy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 plasmid Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Still nothing barking up the right tree, so it might be time for The clues that would likely be most helpful in pointing towards what I've got in mind are the one about words being twisted, and to a lesser degree spread around. The bit about scholars' toil that's no longer germane might also help some. Less useful would be the clue about a downward spiral (unless the correct interpretation of the phrase is used) and about the ruler falling (unless the correct definition of ruler is used). The part about its time coming and going and coming again will probably only make sense after you know what the answer is already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 a geometric proof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 attempts at squaring the circle involving a spiral shape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 spinning top or gyroscope with words printed on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Telephone? The game and the machine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Auramyna Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 gravity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Auramyna Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 orbit of the moon or a planet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 plasmid Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Not a geometric proof. Perhaps there is one out there that might fit this particularly well, but none come to mind. Neither a top or dradle or such stuff, nor a telephone as the machine would have trouble fitting the last stanza and the game the first stanza. Gravity's time hasn't come and gone and come again; and while that would be true for orbits, the orbits wouldn't have been forsaken and no longer germane. Will try to add some more hints to those from post 44 when I am not so sleepy from a brutal weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I'm born of scholars' toil long
Forsaken, no longer germane
My time has come, my time has gone
Anon it is coming again
My words now few will understand
They're twisted obscuring the truth
And so they spread throughout the land
Discernment requiring a sleuth
In downward spiral, chaos calls
Destroying the orderly life
Until the ruler finally falls
Thus bringing and end to this strife
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