Joe's Student

Y-San apologies, but I was merely pointing out that I had misread what was going on like others, not that you hadn't explained yourself, because I realise I should have read the rules better, and I was trying to explain the CL incident. Sorry for not reading properly again.

Slight edit there... made a mistake in my previous post, lucky I noticed it otherwise I was contradicting myself a good bit.

Got my eyes on you Bb... I mean there's an obvious detail in the role descriptions that would lead you to make an educated guess about my role. On this occasion Watari did not use it to save L. But I mean in this case it's the obvious conclusion without hearing from me. To be honest I'm not going to go out of my way to make you all believe I'm L, it does me no harm after all. But I would question the emboldened statement from you there Brandonb... surely you the roles and their perks inside out no? I would be surprised if you didn't, especially since Watari hasn't been changed from DNM 1. So why that question, when there's an obvious assumption to make on who I am... ? Not sure about the why yet, but I'm suspicous now... ------ Btw sorry Bb, it always seems like I go after you in these games . But like Jumper Mafia I think I'm right on this one

Ok well I see alot has gone on since I was last on. Firstly... thanks Watari, you made the right decision, you'll see in time (although that was a big risk on your part, and a dodgy one at that...). As for my absence it was down to two things: 1) Sleep and 2) School. At the time the votes were piling up against me it was in the early hours of Monday morning, because I'm not around is no reason to vote for me . I'm just in from school around an hour to find things totally not how I expected them to be. TF you're lucky, as I think those who swung things on me aren't exactly our friends on this one. Secondly... the CL business. At the time I asked her would it be a good idea to reveal her role because we were all under the assumption that CL was going to die Night 2. (Check the post again and it's timing). Y-San hadn't given the reason CL had been mentioned yet, that came later, a good while after I had asked CL to out her role. So when I asked that I was of the belief that she was going to die and that the DNH knew her True Name, so I thought that us TF should know it too. Now I see that that's not the case and I now retract that request (even though there's no need to at this stage ). On this note... although [i think] it was star_tiger who iniated the voting against me for the comments I made against PT, it was definitely a baddie-bandwaggoning situation, but I don't think ST is DNH/Shinigami. I'll go over the timescale of it all again and see who I think were trying to get rid of me. I was an easy target as the baddies probably knew I was asleep and that I wouldn't be around to defend myself, and they even used that in their accusations. Gracias again Watari. O and btw, the amount of people now saying that it was good Watari stopped the vote - if that's the case why did you vote for me in the first place? Covering their tracks maybe?

And it was the ** in the post that set me off...

Sparanda: Yep your right, sorry I forgot to put the vote down. This is the reason I'm voting this way: here Not much I know but seeing as half the day has gone already without a single vote, I thought I should make my vote based on the only suspicious thing said so far... (in my eyes). It just stuck in my mind for some reason. Shinigami King: Y Roster: 1)Brandonb 2)Itachi-san 3)Sinistral 4)dawh - DEAD (written into Death Note by DNH) 5)foolonthehill 6)Cherry Lane 7)Joe's Student - Prof. Templeton 8)Kat 9)SomeGuy 10)Rene83 11)Mekal 12)Sparanda 13)Star_tiger 14)Prof. Templeton 15)Prince Marth 16)Ben Law Sinistral: I see what you're saying but then again having looked at the rules again, I can't see anything else it could be, I can't find any other reason for Y-San to include it. I'll have another look but...

I've been away all day and once i got in I was looking forward to trawling through what I thought would maybe be 5 or 6 pages of discussion... oh well. Well so something that people have already alluded to is the fact CL looks like her death is imminent. And also that we should definitely discount her vote today. Also CL if you have any info for us maybe you could drop that at some stage, as it's looking like you'll not be with us much longer. (Maybe even reveal your role as that obviously the DNH know it already... what's the point of us TF not knowing your role when the DNH know it? Just a thought...) Shame about dawh, he's always a good innocent to have on your side, anyone any ideas about his role? So I've two people on my suspicion list, but with a total of 10 posts so far since the Night Post obviously there's basically nothing to go on so those suspicions aren't strong ones. Seeing as nobody has voted yet, I'm going to start proceedings with my mini-hunch. PT for me... --------- O and has anyone any idea what player would have the idea to have dawh killed with brownies...? Any inkling who would involve PG's delights into DNM?

Ha sorry there

Iraq is an absolute mess. The idea at the beginnning was madness (as everyone has basically seen at this stage), but seeing as America/Britain had commited to 'fixing' Iraq in 2003, to withdraw now wouldn't help the place at all, it would allow it to fall into complete anarchy. Sure the American/other forces there aren't exactly popular amongst the local population, but what else is to be expected? The Iraqi forces are nowhere near ready to handle the daily violence that is and has been ongoing there though, so for the forces that are in the country at the minute to pull out would be an absolute disgrace. That country is ruined, in disarray, sufferring, due to misjudged Western intervention, and because this is due to that Western intervention, America, Britain etc. now have a responsibility to remain in the country and do what they can to stabilise the society there. Not leave it in the mess that it's in. And it is one hell of a mess. I would gladly take the economic crisis we're going through anyday over what the average Iraqi person deals with on a daily basis, and has had to deal with since 2003. Like what we're hearing at the minute is that Governments of Britain/America believe that the Iraqi forces are ready to deal with and handle whatever they might come up against, and therefore it would be ok to start withdrawing troops. This is total propaganda and BS. Just so that our dear governments can save their skin and withdraw troops, not givinig a crap about your average Iraqi citizen, which I guess we shouldn't be so surprised about, as that's been the case since Day 1 in Iraq. Once again a more disadvangtaged country has to suffer due Western incompetence, and then get left to rot while those Western Governments then decide to run. Ah it gets me so mad.

Dawh: I like your idea simply because I really liked the QA's, my first game I was MoE and I really enjoyed it, I would really like a one return to original Mafia, just for a change . On your actual idea though, because I think for the Illusionist to find out the GR's target is a bit unfair on the GR (as his win condition is difficult enough as it is), why not have when the Illusionist uses their clairvoyance ability, that the Illusionist gets 3 identities, 1 of which is GR's target. (Or two identities maybe?) So that the GR isn't just rendered totally useless, and the Illusionist is left with a choice. Or if the the Illusionist uses their ability, maybe their sacrifice is that they have a 1/3 chance that the GR/QA's find out their identity (or some variation of this). See I know that the QA's were out of favour, but yeah, I really liked them in the game, even though it was arguably the toughest role to win as...

Ok because I'm not totally sure about this one I'll take a look at the easier seeming ones... Am I doing this right?

Edit: Grrr having looked at your spoiler CL I realised I totally missed the element Barium

Was looking at this last Night and couldn't understand what to do, now I've come back and looking at other posts I'm guessing you use the number given as the total for the Atomic Numbers of the Elements used to make up the word that you combine to the Greek Letter? Ha sorry bad explanation, but if I'm doing it right 1#

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PG you need to see Infernal Affairs set in Hong Kong, The Departed is the Hollywood version of that film, and if you think the departed is good you wanna see this film, it was unreal! As for thrillers, for suspense I'd say The Lives of Others, it's brilliant!

Tal: I love 100's and 1000's my granny always has them! O and I love a Mince and Onion pie OR a Chicken & Ham pie

What an ending! Unreality thanks very much for a) your creativeness in inventing such a mad beast of a game, b) your hosting/post making - top notch as ever and c) giving me the role I wanted from the begginning! Being the Rogue was so much fun, and I was raging ST was the Head Paladin, (I had FOTH down as Head Paladin) because woon was my next target (although I don't think I would have gotten any further than that), still I would have liked to stay in the game to the end. O and Kat how come you targeted me first Night? [congratulations btw on your first innocent role since 1803 btw ] Paladins well played , great maneuvring at the end, and excellent from the Crusader thorughout, you nailed the RID Kill everytime... Bb sorry if you felt I was hounding you, but because I had no idea of anybody's roles I had to post alot trying to get people talking on things, was the one weakness in the Rogue's abilities, he was out there on his own looking for not 1, but 2 diferrent roles. Unreality I'm really hoping you host another one in the near-future, I know you're busy with other things, but this has been my favourite Mafia-esque game bar my first, I really enjoyed it and I think everyone else would love to play again. A few tweaks here and there and I'd say it would be perfect. Everyone contributed really well which made it so enjoyable . So yeah another Jumper Mafia would be desireable O and well played Itachi on your whole stuffing-up-Paladins (and me!), you used your ability to your full potential. Can I ask if at Night you chose people you wouldn't think would get targeted, so that you would remain in the game, or endangered Jumpers?

Frost I see you're reading, please change your vote, that will at least get a draw...

Do you really think people can't see you as a baddie FOTH? When they read all this and the logic behind dawh's argument they'll realise . And I've done my research and voting patterns show that you are IMO. Change your vote and I might be partly convinced I'm wrong about you... Edit: If not then I have my argument ready... I may not be the best player tactically but the one thing I can ok is baddie patterns and posts. This time I'm 90% sure

Also I'd like to call on Kat, dms and CP to vote for Bb...

I've been saying since Day 1 that Bb is of the Jumper-hater mindset and is a Paladin. Because I believe dawh I now believe he is the mercenary. Jumpers please get online and switch your vote from FIF to Bb so that we don't lose two innocents (and probably 3 since the Crusader will no doubt be active). I've been waiting for more people to come online, it hasn't happened yet so I'm now going to vote... Host: unreality 1) Reaymond voting for Frozen 2) Frost - voting for Frozen 3) star_tiger - voting for Frozen 4) Kathleen - voting for Dms 5) Brandonb - voting for Frozen 6) Dawh - voting for Brandonb 7) Joe's Student - voting for Brandonb 8) foolonthehill - voting for Frozen 9) Puzzlegirl - DEAD [Messenger] Killed by Crusader 10) itachi-san - DEAD [Reflex] Sacrificed self to save Crazypainter 11) Frozen_in_fire - voting for Brandonb 12) crazypainter - voting for Reaymond 13) Mekal - DEAD [?] Killed by the Paladins 14) dms172 - voting for JS 15) Prince_Marth85 - DEAD [shepherd] Lynched 16) woon - voting for Frozen 17) taliesin - DEAD [Paramedic] Lynched woon, Foth, Frost, I'm aiming this request on you....