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Strange things can happen in the NPs. If I remember more-or-less correctly, there was once a game when there was a baddie redirect and a baddie block, and both of their actions were visible in the NP. On night 1 player A was blocked by the baddie block while both the baddie block and baddie redirect appeared in the NP, and self-blocking was not allowed. That proved that player A could not be a baddie. In reality, player A was the baddie block. He didn't self-block; he targeted a random goodie but had the baddie redirect redirect his own block to himself, so it would appear that he was blocked while both baddies successfully acted. Things can happen that apparently defy explanation if you're creative. As for Dee being Amazo, I don't think so. She was Green Arrow. I have her ability, so if you (the goodies, not you Nana) want to plan future night actions in such I way that I could only survive if I'm telling the truth and copied Dee's booser ability then that's fine with me. See Wikipedia if some of those hints don't make sense. But you (Nana) are right about one thing: there are not enough goodie roles left... at least not enough for you to also be a goodie.

I didn't learn squat from the yes/no question that I don't have because I'm not Wonder Woman. But I did learn who a baddie is. Your choice whether you want to lynch Amazo and be up against three baddies, or lynch Nana and stand a chance. I vote Nana.

I get the feeling Nana will not want to lynch me. Not now, anyway.

Remember that some people get told about certain other roles that aren't in the game.

Amazo can also block if he copies someone with a block ability.

I got blocked N2, and again on N3 after I revealed that I had an info gathering role during D2. It was getting so frustrating that I didn't even submit a question last night, but I also didn't get notified that I was blocked. N1 I asked if there were any non-goodies out of the first three players on the roster: Phil, Nana, and Bonanova, and I got a yes. If Wonder Woman doesn't exist, then that would mean that I would have to be lying and Nana would have to be lying when she was trying to act like she was counterclaiming, without completely saying that she was counterclaiming so she could leave herself some wiggle room if I got lynched and revealed to be Wonder Woman.

It must have been a lynch frame. Green Arrow didn't vote me until Araver did. Even if he were telling the truth and actually blocked me, Green Arrow should have been voting me without having to wait for Araver.

That makes no sense. Even if Araver were Black Canary, he should have been in BTSC with Green Arrow by now. The player who was hinting Green Arrow didn't vote me until after Araver did. That shouldn't happen if Green Arrow sees Black Canary's actions and results in BTSC. Araver must have been lynch framed, so there really are secret abilities in the game. I'll use my yes/no question tonight to try to figure out something about the secret abilities unless anyone has any better ideas. Hopefully it was just limited to a lynch frame.

Yep, Nana's about to get busted when Araver flips.

I should have seen what was going on sooner. Baddies have three players including Ares with a vote manip, vs six other players in the game. If they can get a goodie lynched and pull off a NK then they control the lynch and practically win. It makes too much sense for a baddie to come out and be on the accusing side with a fake block claim because they have no penalty if their victim flips good. I shouldn't have spent time worrying about whether I'm going after a redirected goodie.

At first I thought he was a goodie who thought he blocked me because of how he was phrasing things in his vote on me, but that he got redirected by the baddies or Amazo. That's why the first thing I asked was whether any goodies got blocked but DIDN'T come under suspicion -- if so, that would be evidence that Araver could be a goodie who thought that he blocked me but got redirected.

I claim Wonder Woman. I was not blocked. Bonanova is known to be goodie and confirmed that Araver acted on me, and Araver didn't block me, which means Araver's lying and a baddie that can act on a player at night and appear to be follow spied - making it safe to claim that he was blocking the NK to frame a goodie even if he got follow spied. The only such baddie is Lex Luthor. (Well, he could have been Faust and used a spy, but that would be kind of ridiculous when Faust can use a redirect.)

If Lex Luthor is in the game, would a spy see him as acting on his target only if he successfully manipulates them, or if he makes an attempt regardless of success? If the former, then the baddies already know who I am so no reason not to out.

I also understand dee's hint now, and I noticed that she initially voted for someone else until after araver posted on the main thread, which makes me much more suspicious of araver.

1) Phil1882 -dee_tot 2) Nana77 3) bonanova - voting for dee_tot 4) tolecnal - DEAD [Martian Manhunter] lynched 5) flamebirde - DEAD [Hawkgirl] killed by Supervillains 6) onetruth - voting for plasmid 7) dee_tot - voting for plasmid 8) plasmid - voting for araver 9) TwoaDay - DEAD [Zatanna] lynched 10) Kikacat123 - voting for onetruth 11) Araver - voting for plasmid 12) Barca Araver, I think you might have done something to attract the attention of Faust (considering that Martian Manhunter is the most likely dead role to manipulate) or Amazo, or Lex Luthor if he's in the game (although I doubt the Lex scenario). Either that or you're a baddie or indy. If anyone was notified that they were blocked and have NOT come under pressure, please out the fact now. Otherwise my vote's on Araver. Edit: putting back onetruth's vote

Araver's Q2 seems to fit the bill for S2.

Barc and Araver: your suspicions of Nana being Amazo bring up a nifty little strategy. Nana's narrowing D1 has left her with two possible goodie roles. If either of those roles were follow spied at night, they would not appear to be acting on any players. So if she were follow spied and found to be acting on someone, she would be busted. The reason I'm saying this publicly on the main thread is that I want the threat of being busted by a follow spy to be out there in case she's Amazo, in which case she would have to not act in order to avoid being busted. But if she's a goodie then she can continue to do whatever she wants. And of course the follow spy doesn't have to use their action on Nana if they think they can put it to better use elsewhere, I just want the threat to be out there in case she is Amazo. And I neither confirm nor deny that I myself am Black Canary and WIFOMing. Edit: Just to make sure: what would a follow spy see if they act on Flash and Flash were acting in the previous or following day?

Dr. Fate: Y-San 1) Phil1882 - kikacat 2) Nana77 -voting for Two-a-day 3) bonanova - voting for Two-a-day 4) tolecnal - DEAD Martian Manhunter lynched 5) flamebirde - DEAD Hawkgirl killed by Supervillains 6) onetruth - voting for dee 7) dee_tot - voting for Kikacat 8) plasmid - voting for Two-a-day 9) TwoaDay 10) Kikacat123 - voting for Two-a-day 11) Araver -voting for Two-a-day 12) Barca - voting for Nana Not leaving this in manip range right after Ares proved he's in the game. Even though this doesn't bode well for me with Araver lurking about.

@Dee: If you dropped any hints, they were and still are too vague for me to catch. @Araver: I might have gone along with the plan of lynching TwoaDay if I weren't the second one on the list... you should know better than to put two more people than necessary on the list if you want to get people to go along with you

1) Phil1882 -kikacat 2) Nana77 - voting for Kikacat 3) bonanova - voting for Kikacat 4) tolecnal - DEAD [Martian Manhunter] lynched 5) flamebirde - DEAD [Hawkgirl] killed by Supervillains 6) onetruth 7) dee_tot - voting for Kikacat 8) plasmid - voting for dee 9) TwoaDay 10) Kikacat123 - voting for Phil 11) Araver 12) Barca - voting for Nana There's something to be said for bandwagoning now that Ares is known to be in the game. But it should come at the end of the day when we decide who needs to be lynched, not at the beginning of the day to keep anyone else from having to say anything. Unless of course anyone has info on Kika in which case I don't mind an all-day landslide so much. Kikacat still has plenty of pressure. I'm not too inclined to vote Phil right now because he already talked yesterday (but he can still feel free to try to make himself look less suspicious). Dee hasn't said much as far as I can see. Edit: Adding Barc's vote on Nana. And that would make sense.

On the off chance that Bonanova was lying and was unlynchable because he's Solomon Grundy or Amazo -- we know that Batman is still alive, so you need to counterclaim now unless you want him to skate through the rest of the game as a confirmed goodie. (That scenario is unlikely, but I want to make sure we're covering all possibilities.)

I vote Phil

Any of the above would be reasonable, but I'd feel more comfortable letting Bonanova save himself than try to have a bunch of people switch at the last minute.

Would you consider it unfair metagaming to vote Phil based on seeing him logging in and not posting? I'm actually not sure myself. If so then we probably shouldn't lynch him.