DudleyDude

Wow, Wilson. Surely the right answer. Wonderfully done, PG. I've been staring at this one since you put it up looking for play on words or some other way to parse it and came up blank

Well, that was an interesting game. The first time I've played a goodie and been able to make it past the first night. Good job everyone.

I have to agree with ljb. Xamdam must be some kind of rat to try to stick us with this problem.

[hint]ummm, my Mom always gave us cookies or candy if we finished our chores early...[/hint]

So, by my count the following goodie roles are still alive: Miles (explicitly mentioned in the last day post) John Conner (was the only killer in the last night post) Marcus Wright (it's simply not possible for us to not know if he's dead) At least 2 of these are still alive (the last night kill could have been any of these, but no more than one) Peter Silberman T-X T-1000 Darth has called one of the must-be-alive roles and no one has challenged him. He's a goodie. Clozo has likewise claimed one of the must-be-alive role and no one has challened her. She's a goodie. Tpax has called one of the may-be-alive roles and has not been challenged. The only way he could be a baddie is if he decided to not kill on the last night and got very lucky claiming a role recently vacated by the death of Magic. I think he's a good enough player to have guessed Darth's role based on Darth's clues, but I don't believe in that kind of luck. My gut feeling says that tpax is a goodie. I have not claimed a role. My loss would not particularly hurt the goodies unless Music doesn't correct her correction and lets it stay N5. In that case, I could act tonight and attempt the exact same action I did last night. Izzy has not claimed a role but based on me knowing I'm not Miles and the fact that Izzy and I were the only ones that voted for CP, I believe he fits that role and is a goodie. Framm has not claimed a role. The only roles that are left are the T-X or the T-1000. I'm thinking that we should have let Framm plead no-contest when he asked. The only other option I see is that Framm is Miles and Izzy is the baddie. But I don't think this is nearly as likely. I would suggest that the best action for John Conner would be to kill either me or Framm tonight and then the goodies should lynch whichever one is left in the morning if the game doesn't end with the night post. In fact, to be certain, John Conner should kill me tonight. If lynching Framm doesn't end the game, then I think either Izzy or Tpax must be the 2nd baddie left (if there is a Peter Silberman action at night, then Izzy is definitely the remaining baddie). If Framm was Miles then Izzy is the final baddie. If Framm is a baddie, then Tpax is the other baddie. I really wish Clozo had not voted during the day. I actually thought Medji was a baddie, but leaving things tied would have allowed Medji to save himself. Edit1: A lack of a Peter Silberman action tonight does not automatically mean that the person claiming that role is lying. If Peter Silberman targets me tonight, it will not likely be posted. I think that blocks are only making it into the night post if the block actually stopped an action. I will not be be taking an aciton tonight, but if Peter doesn't trust me and decides to block me instead of Framm then I don't think the block will be posted.

I think I disagree with you on this point. To quote GM from D1 discussion, "if there is a tie one of the people who is tied for the most votes will get lynched by random draw." In this particular case, we have two suspected baddies tied. Medji has claimed an ability that will let him break the tie if needed. All he needs to do is to make his vote 2x and then Framm will lose. If he's lying about having this ability, then he's a baddie and there's a 50/50 chance of him dying in the lynch. If he dies, then we can discuss who to target for save/block/kill but I'd guess the main target will be Framm anyway. If he doesn't die, we'll know the identity of Framm and know to target Medji for the kill. But since at tie will only result in the death of one of those tied, and you're not concerned with which one we target then I'm not sure why you think a time is bad. @GM or Music - Can we have clarification as to what is meant by the 50% RID on blocks? If the RID was successful, would it say the actual role of the target or just the aliiance (good/bad/indy)? Or is it something else entirely?

Right. So a tie means that Medji lied about his role and is definitely bad. There's a 50 percent chance that Framm would die (and we would learn her role) and a 50 percent chance of Medji dying. Even if Medji survives the lynch, he's a known baddie and we can block/kill him at night. I'm personally hoping for the tie, but if it doesn't look like it'll work out, we can still hope that Miles ends the lynch based on earlier votes.

Can we get clarification on this from Music or GM? I think P4P may have lived through the first day if we actually knew more about the "save" role of Cameron. I was also a little suspicious of tpax's post, but I think that no one else is claiming that role helps clear him. The only other thing that would make sense is if Magic was Peter and tpax is T-1000 and decided to not kill last night.

1. Crazypainter - (heart ripped out and found to be Skynet Systems) 2. DudleyDude is voting for Medji 3. Medji is voting for Framm 4. LIS - (Terminated by T-X) 5. Tpax is voting for Framm 6. Slick - (Terminated by T-X) 7. Darth is voting for Framm 8. Izzy is voting for Darth 9. Clozo 10. Framm- Voting for Darth 11. Pablos4pandas - (trucked and found to be Kyle Reese) 12. Magic - (pushed off a cliff and swept out to sea by John Connor) 13. Sayalzah - (sniped by John Connor) Sorry, Izzy, but now I'm already having 2nd thoughts. I just realized that Marcus must still be alive. Since Darth is the only one claiming the role, I'm leaning towards him telling the truth. And if Framm isn't complaining about tpax claiming a role, then I still think tpax is a goodie. So that does leave Medji and Framm, I think. I believe you were right and we should focus vote on one or the other. I wouldn't mind a tie vote between medji and framm and then medji can save himself if he's actually the role he's claimed.

I'm fairly convinced that tpax, izzy and clozo are all goodies. So that's 4 that I consider confirmed. Of the remaining 3, I suspect Medji and either Framm or Darth. With only 2 baddies left (assuming the Magic kill was a mistake), I can't believe that one would skip a night kill on purpose. I know I was blocked last night by a baddie. Darth was blocked by Peter. Those are the only 2 blocks left in the game (CP had the 3rd block). So between Framm and Darth, I really think Darth is the most likely candidate for T-1000. On the off chance that Darth is actually Marcus, it will be better to find out with a day lynch then by targeting him at night. So I really think that the best course of action is to lynch Darth. Then at night we block and kill Medji. If the game is still going after that, we lynch Framm.

another nice one Plasmid. I was watching this one but couldn't come up with a decent guess. Well played, PG

If I read the last day post correctly, the baddies still have a group kill and it'll be shared between the 2 remaining baddies. T-X gets the kill on even nights and T-1000 gets it on odd nights (like a simple divorce ). So last night (an odd night) T-X would have had the block ability and the T-1000 would have had both the spy and the kill ability.

1. Crazypainter - (heart ripped out and found to be Skynet Systems) 2. DudleyDude is voting for Darth 3. Medji 4. LIS - (Terminated by T-X) 5. Tpax 6. Slick - (Terminated by T-X) 7. Darth 8. Izzy is voting for Darth 9. Clozo 10. Framm 11. Pablos4pandas - (trucked and found to be Kyle Reese) 12. Magic - (pushed off a cliff and swept out to sea by John Connor) 13. Sayalzah - (sniped by John Connor) I agree.