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@maurice: mostly gut feeling, but if you can convince me you're good, i'm willing to change my vote. :D

GO GOODIES!!! :D :D :D

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Server Owner: Blablah

1) Vineetrika - voting for Sayalzah

2) Peace - Dead: Banned and found to be Ghast

3) Slick - Trapped. Cannot vote or post.

4) Araver - voting for Framm

5) Hirkala

6) Framm

7) Abhisk

8) solman - Dead: Killed by Creeper

9) GMaster479 - voting for Framm

10) maurice - voting for Sayalzah

11) EDM - voting for maurice

12) curr3nt - voting for Framm

13) Marq

14) Shadow

15) darth nox - voting for framm

16) sayalzah

17) Molly Mae

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1) Vineetrika - voting for Sayalzah

2) Peace - Dead: Banned and found to be Ghast

3) Slick - Trapped. Cannot vote or post.

4) Araver - voting for Framm

5) Hirkala

6) Framm

7) Abhisk

8) solman - Dead: Killed by Creeper

9) GMaster479 - voting for Framm

10) maurice - voting for Sayalzah

11) EDM - voting for maurice

12) curr3nt - voting for Framm

13) Marq

14) Shadow - voting for Sayalzah

15) darth nox - voting for Framm

16) sayalzah

17) Molly Mae

While I'd like Framm to defend himself, I'd also like say to explain himself more, especially what he meant by saying it wasn't worth it to vote on day 1, so I'm bringing it close to even.

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1) Vineetrika - voting for Sayalzah

2) Peace - Dead: Banned and found to be Ghast

3) Slick - Trapped. Cannot vote or post.

4) Araver - voting for Framm

5) Hirkala

6) Framm

7) Abhisk

8) solman - Dead: Killed by Creeper

9) GMaster479 - voting for Framm

10) maurice - voting for Sayalzah

11) EDM - voting for maurice

12) curr3nt - voting for Framm

13) Marq

14) Shadow - voting for Sayalzah

15) darth nox - voting for Framm

16) sayalzah - voting for Framm

17) Molly Mae

I don't understand why there are any votes on me. True, I've been kind of quiet, but I'm usually like that. And Framm could have easily counted Creeper's green color as an extra vote for Peace on D1.

Anyway, this vote is for self-defense.

edit: In response to Shadow, it was 7:29 when I finally had a chance to post. Even if I had voted, it wouldn't have done anything

Edited by sayalzah

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1) Vineetrika - voting for Sayalzah

2) Peace - Dead: Banned and found to be Ghast

3) Slick - Trapped. Cannot vote or post.

4) Araver - voting for Framm

5) Hirkala

6) Framm

7) Abhisk

8) solman - Dead: Killed by Creeper

9) GMaster479 - voting for Framm

10) maurice - voting for Sayalzah

11) EDM - voting for maurice

12) curr3nt - voting for Framm

13) Marq

14) Shadow - voting for Framm

15) darth nox - voting for Framm

16) sayalzah - voting for Framm

17) Molly Mae

edit: In response to Shadow, it was 7:29 when I finally had a chance to post. Even if I had voted, it wouldn't have done anything

That isn't much of a defense, but for today, it'll do....so I'll join in voting Framm, since I remain suspicious of him.

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1) Vineetrika - voting for Sayalzah

2) Peace - Dead: Banned and found to be Ghast

3) Slick - Trapped. Cannot vote or post.

4) Araver - voting for Framm

5) Hirkala

6) Framm - Voting for Hirkala

7) Abhisk

8) solman - Dead: Killed by Creeper

9) GMaster479 - voting for Framm

10) maurice - voting for Sayalzah

11) EDM - voting for maurice

12) curr3nt - voting for Framm

13) Marq

14) Shadow - voting for Framm

15) darth nox - voting for Framm

16) sayalzah - voting for Framm

17) Molly Mae

Vote only cause I won't vote for myself, and I don't like leaving my vote empty.

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A recommendation for other goodies...I think Framm is bad, but we don't need to put too many goodie votes on him. If he is Water then we will be screwed for later lynches. As of now he looks to be a safe lynch (even with vote manips). So call me selfish, but I'm staying clear for now.

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1) Vineetrika - voting for Sayalzah

2) Peace - Dead: Banned and found to be Ghast

3) Slick - Trapped. Cannot vote or post.

4) Araver - voting for Framm

5) Hirkala

6) Framm - Voting for Hirkala

7) Abhisk

8) solman - Dead: Killed by Creeper

9) GMaster479 - voting for Framm

10) maurice - voting for Sayalzah

11) EDM - voting for maurice

12) curr3nt - voting for Framm

13) Marq

14) Shadow - voting for maurice

15) darth nox - voting for Framm

16) sayalzah - voting for Framm

17) Molly Mae

Fair enough maurice...but just in case, I'll switch mine to you...

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@curr3nt - No, I probably did not figure out what you say.

I am still waiting on a lot of answers from Blablah. And there are more last night that went unanswered:

"In the end" does not imply a tie, right?

Blab, does ZP inherit the RID Kill, or is their WinCon simply achieved through lynches now?

and the questions in this post

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@Shadow7 - you are flip-flopping without saying much. Say, Framm then maurice.

Any reason or do you have BTSC buddies advising you?

@darth nox - you basically voted twice, with no explanation whatsoever. What's up? Care to say something with your votes? Care to contribute?

@Vineetrika - you started this vote on say today. I pegged you and sayalzah as possible Slime because both of you did not vote on D1 and Herobrine RID Guessed Slime (so he either flipped.)

Are you claiming Slime? Cause the most likely way I see it, one of you is Slime and the other is Herobrine!

@Framm - a goodie usually defends with 6 votes on him or at least gives other goodies information. Framm, you are definitely not good. But IMO, you are food for the night, not the day.

@maurice - You're not really helpful. You're WIFOM trying to save Framm right now after you voted for Peace yesterday too.

Given how many newbies are in this game, it's hard to tell, but I think you're expecting another veteran player to jump in and get votes off of Framm. Especially with no defense. So DEFEND.

Server Owner: Blablah

1) Vineetrika - voting for Sayalzah

2) Peace - Dead: Banned and found to be Ghast

3) Slick - Trapped. Cannot vote or post.

4) Araver - voting for maurice

5) Hirkala

6) Framm - Voting for Hirkala

7) Abhisk

8) solman - Dead: Killed by Creeper

9) GMaster479 - voting for Framm

10) maurice - voting for Sayalzah

11) EDM - voting for maurice

12) curr3nt - voting for Framm

13) Marq

14) Shadow - voting for Framm

15) darth nox - voting for Framm

16) sayalzah - voting for Framm

17) Molly Mae

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Missed a vote.

Server Owner: Blablah

1) Vineetrika - voting for Sayalzah

2) Peace - Dead: Banned and found to be Ghast

3) Slick - Trapped. Cannot vote or post.

4) Araver - voting for maurice

5) Hirkala

6) Framm - Voting for Hirkala

7) Abhisk

8) solman - Dead: Killed by Creeper

9) GMaster479 - voting for Framm

10) maurice - voting for Sayalzah

11) EDM - voting for maurice

12) curr3nt - voting for Framm

13) Marq

14) Shadow - voting for maurice

15) darth nox - voting for Framm

16) sayalzah - voting for Framm

17) Molly Mae

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How am I trying to save Framm? Framm is toast as Ab pointed out a mistake he made and he has yet to defend it. I am voting for Say for the same reason others are voting for Framm. I didn't say let's not lynch Framm. What I said was let's lynch him safely at 6-2 or whatever it was rather than 10-2. If he is Water, do we need to have several goodies with votes on them for the baddies to pick away at in future lynches? For giving sound goodie advice and for EDM's gut feeling I must defend? Defend against what?

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@Shadow7 - you are flip-flopping without saying much. Say, Framm then maurice.

Any reason or do you have BTSC buddies advising you?

All I wanted from Say was a reason why he thought it wasn't worthwhile to vote last night. His reason was basic, but it was a rational reason, so I moved off of him. Framm's lack of defense suggests he has no problem being lynched, which would mean he's either Lava or Water, more likely Water. With 3 more votes than any other player had at the time, it would take 2 agreeing vote redirects to create even a tie, and I think that many is unlikely, especially with the possibility that a vote manipulator would add a vote to him behind the scenes rather than removing it. If Framm is a baddie, 3 out of a maximum of 4 vote manipulations would be better served adding to the votes for Framm. Frankly, I prefer to have people I'm concerned about the roles of die during the day rather than during the night, so I can find out who they are. That being said, while maurice's logic was sound, it was also suspect, in that he might have been attempting to save Framm. Thus, while I moved to reduce the risk of having a vote permanently added to my account, I also used the move to increase pressure on maurice to defend himself.

And no, I have no BTSC; this is purely my logic and indecisiveness...I initially felt it more important to get a vote entered and thus demonstrate activity, knowing I could change my vote later, rather than being sure of my vote before I entered one.

Server Owner: Blablah

1) Vineetrika - voting for Sayalzah

2) Peace - Dead: Banned and found to be Ghast

3) Slick - Trapped. Cannot vote or post.

4) Araver - voting for maurice

5) Hirkala

6) Framm - Voting for Hirkala

7) Abhisk

8) solman - Dead: Killed by Creeper

9) GMaster479 - voting for Framm

10) maurice - voting for Sayalzah

11) EDM - voting for maurice

12) curr3nt - voting for Framm

13) Marq

14) Shadow - voting for maurice

15) darth nox - voting for Framm

16) sayalzah - voting for Framm

17) Molly Mae

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Framm made another mistake. Can't point it out right now because of what it would reveal (it happened in the day). Put my vote down as Framm. Baddies trying to get maurice? (Thats what it seems like at least).

EDIT: The post with me sighing in it is related to why I think Framm is bad. Anyone else see it?

Edited by abhisk

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:) I'm not giving much of an explanation because I'm hopelessly bandwagoning while listening to your arguements

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Server Owner: Blablah

1) Vineetrika - voting for Sayalzah

2) Peace - Dead: Banned and found to be Ghast

3) Slick - Trapped. Cannot vote or post.

4) Araver - voting for maurice

5) Hirkala

6) Framm - Voting for Hirkala

7) Abhisk - voting for Framm

8) solman - Dead: Killed by Creeper

9) GMaster479 - voting for Framm

10) maurice - voting for Sayalzah

11) EDM - voting for maurice

12) curr3nt - voting for Framm

13) Marq

14) Shadow - voting for maurice

15) darth nox - voting for Framm

16) sayalzah - voting for Framm

17) Molly Mae

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No Contest, just wasn't a good game for me.

Anyways, think about who Herobrine would save and the fact that Abhisk wasn't killed last night. ;)

Edited by Framm 18

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@ Vineetrika and Maurice...you guys, Framm may be a liquid (very unlikely.) But baddies have a vote change. So does notch. So do a few others. So it might be wise to take out the person we think is bad. And Framm has made 2 slip-ups, with no defense. See my point?

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@maurice - You're not really helpful. You're WIFOM trying to save Framm right now after you voted for Peace yesterday too.

Given how many newbies are in this game, it's hard to tell, but I think you're expecting another veteran player to jump in and get votes off of Framm. Especially with no defense. So DEFEND.

Server Owner: Blablah

1) Vineetrika - voting for Sayalzah

2) Peace - Dead: Banned and found to be Ghast

3) Slick - Trapped. Cannot vote or post.

4) Araver - voting for maurice

5) Hirkala

6) Framm - Voting for Hirkala

7) Abhisk - voting for Framm

8) solman - Dead: Killed by Creeper

9) GMaster479 - voting for Framm

10) maurice - voting for araver

11) EDM - voting for maurice

12) curr3nt - voting for Framm

13) Marq

14) Shadow -voting for maurice

15) darth nox - voting for Framm

16) sayalzah - voting for Framm

17) Molly Mae

I hate reciprocal voting, especially a vote that doesn't matter. Say's not gonna say much more and if need be I'll jump on Framm.

The reason for my vote is because I think you made a critical error, araver. I thought maybe we were on the same side, again and was trying to find out how to convince you when I read this post more closely. Why was voting for Peace a bad thing for goodies? Why is that something I should need to defend against? And then you reposted my question regarding the Indy WinCon. Sure, I know you're thorough and all, but the combination of those two things just yells to me that you are Zombie Pigman. I do not expect you to get lynched today for this. But this vote should get noticed and hopefully remembered N3 or D3. Heck, if Herobrine RID's ZP correctly even that should do it.

edit - quote fail

Edited by maurice

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Server Owner: Blablah

1) Vineetrika - voting for Sayalzah

2) Peace - Dead: Banned and found to be Ghast

3) Slick - Trapped. Cannot vote or post.

4) Araver - voting for maurice

5) Hirkala

6) Framm - Voting for Hirkala

7) Abhisk - voting for Framm

8) solman - Dead: Killed by Creeper

9) GMaster479 - voting for Framm

10) maurice - voting for araver

11) EDM - voting for maurice

12) curr3nt - voting for Framm

13) Marq

14) Shadow - voting for maurice

15) darth nox - voting for Framm

16) sayalzah - voting for Framm

17) Molly Mae

Just reposting the most current roster with my comment, even though there's no change.

abhisk, have you considered that Notch may be changing a vote to go TO Framm? That would certainly make up for the baddie vote change, and there's little reason to think the others would defend Framm if they think Framm is a baddie.

EDIT: maurice changed his vote while I was writing.

Edited by Shadow7

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@maurice: day's over already :P.

But I got my message out...just in case the answer to my question,the one that araver was interested in, is indeed yes.

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@maurice - I think you are wrong about ZP.

I automatically excluded the following after D1 as being Zombie Pigman.

3) Slick - voting for Peace

4) Araver - Voting for Peace

10) maurice - voting for Peace

6) Framm - Voting for Peace

7) Abhisk - Voting for Araver

9) GMaster479 - voting for Marq

15) darth nox - voting for Marq

Any sane ZP would vote for Framm or Say in order to not lynch the important RID Kill. And if Framm were the ZP, he would not vote Peace, he would vote Say. Too close a lynch to do crazy stunts, plenty of suspects (Framm, Say) to move your vote to.

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