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DREAR if 3 than M is last as DREAM =4

DREAM

ERECT

SHAFT

CRAZY if 0 than E is last as CRAZE=1 yup bludgehammering away at it

CRAZE if 0 than G is first as GRAZE=1

He's like a cape... ...always following me around.

Nazis were socialaist in name only , well once Hitler got in control of things in any case. I agree the pizza analogy fails, but that doesnt mean the point is no good just a poor anaolgy. Everyone has different views on different subjects making homogeny impssoible. there will be sililarities on certain subjects but there will always be differences on others. As a weid example I knew a kid in high school who was big into drugs but compeltely against pre marital sex. Normally those pro drug are fine with sex and those against against, but there are always those areas where peopel are different. Also what do you do if say thos ein Hamburg want to be more socialist but the people from berlin want to be less so? what do you do when peoples (individually and collectively) attitudes change over time? cosntant revolution? I Liek the general concept Izzy i jjust think it will end up being less effective than what we have now in the democratic countries at least, where things can be changed if enough people get involved and work towards the change. Remember less than 100 years ago Germany was as far from socialism as you could get. As to the idependance of the individual states, well being a quebecker I suppose I have a rather unique perspective here, as I have lived through 2 referendums on removing Quebec from Canada. Lots of problems involved, does the entire state change or just the parts that voted for it? What if all of northern Florida didnt want to leave? Can they form a new state of Florida? Or join Georgia? You can see that this will get messy, not impossible just very messy. It will leave very bad feelings among those involved, this is unavoidable, unless you get a massive consensus, a very very unlikely outcome. I agree with maurice removing disenters doesnt make you stronger it makes you stagnate. Since people have been suggesting books, I strongly suggest The Dispossessed by Ursula K Le guin. It is Sci-Fi but a good read and not heavy liek all the otehr books mentioned so far. Despite being a story, she does a good job of trying to explain a lot of the subjects talke dabout here, as pertainign to anarchism at least.

LIAR

Ok this is an absurd statement but Ill let that down to you being only 19 years old and a product of an education system that is getting worse by the year. You need not move to Antarctica, and the Mars thing is physically impossible for me to do. So let’s deal with reality. You need only move outside the municipal boundaries to avoid paying for the roads. There are millions of Americans who do just that. The hippie communes of the 60’s are a good example of this. That they are mostly gone now is a direct result of the people living there wanting to have the advantages of civilization. Yes if I come up to you and sing a song it is absurd to expect you to have to pay. My example was you CHOOSING to enter a bar and then refusing to pay because you didn’t want to watch the show. If you don’t want to pay for the show or hear/see the show, then don’t enter the bar. You seem to think that you have every right to enter the bar but no obligation to pay because you are not watching the show. This is a ludicrous and to use your own words immoral position.

Well seems we got it wrong its Oct 21 the world will end ppl. Its guaranteed in the bible Personally i think it is cruel to end the world 10 days before the best holiday of the year but i guess this is old testament stuff.

ANGER

It may be difficult for you to avoid the govt roads but it is not impossible. There are many people living outside of the govt road system, they do not pay for the roads. they CHOOSE to foregoe the advantages of living in a city/town. Just because you dont WANT to live in the boonies doesnt mean you should get to live in town and enjoy the advantages of that life tax free, that would be stealing. You seem to completely misunderstand the concept of free choice. you mention the slave again. Last time i checked a slave could not choose to leave the plantaion, that is to say they are FORCED to stay where they are and work for the master. You CHOOSE to stay where you are but think you you are then being FORCED to pay taxes? Again you choose to make a certain amount of money, you do not have to make so much you want to because it gives you certain material advantages in life. You are not forced to work at doing X job. The slave is FORCED to work. again do you see the difference? Before we move on to the other issues I will stick with the roads till we understand each other. Do you admit that you pay taxes for roads because of where you live? Do you admit that you have the right to move elsewhere to where there are no taxes for roads? Do you see the difference between you and a slave? You may not want to live elsewhere but it is not the same thing as not being allowed to.

You are not forced to use the roads, you choose to, that is my point. I cannot understand how you think your CHOICE of living in a certain spot is the same as someone FORCING your to drink a glass of water. Yes your CHOICE of where you live FORCES you to use the roads, but again that obligation comes around only due to the previous CHOICE of living arrangements. If you cannot see the difference between a CHOICE you make and something you are FORCED to do then you are compeltely unclear on the concept and are in fact the WACKO

PION yup KR1 thats hoy ya do a proof

I'm going to try and explain the difference between taxation and theft again. I would say forcing me to take the water would be the act of violence teh demanding of payment would just be an additional offence. here is a far better analogy: There is a bar that offers a live show, admission is free but there is a 2 drink minimum. You enter the bar and decide not to watch the show and say you dont drink and thus you need not buy the 2 drinks. Is this right? You are not forced to enter the bar, you chose to, but whether you watch the show or drink the drinks you should still have ot pay. You are at the bar because of you enjoy spending time with your friends who are their or perhaps they have a nice buffet. whatever the reason is you decided to be there and now should pay. Society is the same, you want to be part of it you have to pay the price, you are not forced to be part of society you choose to. Should you decide to opt out you should not recieve the benefits of society.

Canada is in Afganistan though we will be ending our combat mission this year. We sent 1 squadron of planes to Libya though I'm not sure theyve actually done anything. We did manage to avoid Iraq YAY! 1 point for Canada As to the tax system, I live in Montreal which places me in the highest taxed jurisdiction in all of North America. Though I believe we are taxed less than the Swedes. No i'm not happy I pay more in taxes here than anywhere else but I'd rather live in Montreal than Toronto, Vancouver is nice but expensive and my wife refuses to move that far away from her family. Point is I have a choice, I choose to live where I do because after weighing the pros and cons my wife told me this is where I want to live.

This site explains how they got the date of May 21 2011 interesting read (or skim over as i did) http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/outreach/tracts/may21/

UTF You were Very insulting with that statement and completely backwards so either I presume you are trolling or you really are lacking basic understanding of the concepts involved and insulting at the same time, ori presuem you are trolling for some laughs. I chose the lesser of two options. Simple fact is: Option 1 you cant give a coherent answer, as it doesnt exist. Option 2. you avoid the question as it will end the game. Once again I will state for anyone to read so they arent sucked in by UTF's fallacious reasoning TAXATION IS NOT VIOLENCE. Please don't anyone think that I like taxes, of course i don't. fact is I'd like to have a ferrari too but i dont want to pay for one.

I hear they have a really big bonfire in hell perhaps we can share a spot near it Peace*out

STUKA

ok im just a guy with a shotgun seeing what I can hit BAILES if 0 than S is last as BAILED = 1

personally I have come to the conclusion that you are Trolling UTF, but as i'm bored i'll go along with it. Ok govt doesnt have a monopoly on roads. In fact there exist many private roads where you need the permision of the owners to go on them. Here in canada we even have a private highway, the 417 in toronto, it is a toll road that i have myself used, though i found it gave me no advantage over the public highway. Also here in canada and the northern states at least, who does the snow removal on the public roads? govt be it local/state/provincial/federal, thats who. Now if you live on your nice cosy road in the winter should everyone have to clear the snow in winter in front of their house? what if someone goes away on vacation? What if no one owns the land the road goes through? The simple fact is, as I will state once again, YOU recieve the benefits directly or indirectly therefore you should pay. Your reply was completely off the mark and my statment stands taxation is NOT violence. The lack of basic understanding isnt by us UTF "expecting that everyone would ALWAYS solve all of their problems peacefully rather than resort to violence would only occur in an anarchistic society as psychopaths/sociopaths and just plain bad people would never exist if there was no govt." is somehting i would expect UTF to say

Exactly my point you cannot avoid using the roads so why do you think you shouldn't have to pay for them? don't want to pay for the roads? Then move somewhere where there are no roads. You see you can avoid using them and paying for them if you really wanted to. The govt does not decide where you live, you do. You made the choice to live there and refusal to pay for the privledge of the roads would be equivalent to theft. WTF I mean WTF! Are you insane, I sorry for the yelling but seriously WTF! A slave is not given employment he is a slave, you are not there is no comparison. A slave cannot refuse to work or quit for another job because they dont like the working conditions. They can't do anything but accept the conditions of the master or face the consequences. Can a slave say, hmm I want to make less money and pay less taxes to the master so i'll take a lower paying job? Or even decide I think ill go work for the farmer over in the next field he offers better pay or working conditions? I can't believe you would even begin to think there is a possible analogy here! You are free, a slave is not. A slave is given food only because without it he/she would die and be a total loss to the master. Slavery is wrong and immoral but if i put a meal in front of you and you eat it of course I expect you to pay for it, if you don't then you are a THIEF. The fact is even if you never walk on a road you receive the benefits of the road by the low food prices you pay etc access to emloyment etc. You cannot avoid receiving these benefits, ie the passive ones. You cannot opt out you will receive them directly or indirectly. There is no comparison to the bottle of water except in the sense that water comes into you house and the businesses you enter. You can try and refuse to drink the water but eventually you will die without it. In North America at least the govt also gives you CLEAN water. That is something else you would lose in an anrchistic society. If no govt existed, perhaps a private company would step in but good luck thinking they will make sure the water is clean without govt regulation/oversight. Something that is done with TAX money that is NOT stolen from you. Yes if we all lived in small villages we could use rivers and streams but when you have cities in the millions that just doesnt work. The sanitation problems alone would be increadible. Nope it isn't! think about it. Not even close to the same thing. YOU directly benefit from roads and other govt services, refusal to pay in your world would be violence against the state not the inverse. MAFIA offers you nothing but violence. It is physically impossible to not benefit from the roads/water supply etc. You cannot opt out. well you can but then you would be basically removing yourself from society. You would find that living in the middle of nowhere with no income you would not be paying taxes. If you wish to live in civilization you will have no way of avoiding the benefits. To refuse to pay for those benefits would be exactly like eating the meal and refusing to pay. YOU WOULD BE A THIEF!! Please try to answer the question as nature abhors a vacuum, I can't imagine how an anarchisitic system won't very quickly become a dictatorship under the rule of the mafia or other criminal orginizations who WILL use violence against you, for any and every reason imaginable.