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Please note I'm in Canada, there is no libertarian party here. I can't say I know enough about it in the US to say if it is what i am. Labels can be misleading. We vote on monday and I still not sure who i'll vote for or if i'll spoil my ballot (in-laws think I always vote conservative because they always vote liberal and I argue with them a lot (they cant even imagine a vote for the NDP), but unlike them I DO NOT always vote for the same party

control is not violence. unfortunately governments are required for a functioning societly they may do things you dont like but better to be in a democracy where you can fire the people in charge onc ein a while instead of needing a revolution liek all other systems of govt. If you dont vote no political party will pay much attention to you as you are not voting AGAINST them you have basically opted out of the political process and left your fate completely in the hands of others. Yeha if you vote and your side loses you still lost but the winners will know that X% of th epopulation is against them and will keep an eye on that and perhaps only perhaps try to find ways to win you over next time. dont vote they wont even bother doing that. This is true up to a point there is a certain level where you saturate the market with your message and even if you spend 2x mor eit wont affect anything in fact often it does the reverse as people get turned off by the obvious attempts to "buy" votes. Ye sgovt can always be improved but much thought must be put into it often the attempts to improve govt has only made things worse. As a whole i hope everyone here can agree that the systems we have (in democratic countries) nowadays is better than have existed in the past. The progress may be slow and often beset by setbacks but hopefully it will continue to move towards a better wolrd in the long run

im a social liberal fiscal conservative. there is no such party here in canada or it seems in the US either. The shake up mostly seems that the liberals may be back into 3rd place behind the NDP conservative swill probably form another minority govt. here in canada there are 4 parties that get any votes 3 national and 1 silly provincial party that runs in the national electiosn but they get 30-50 seats so they cant be ignored. The NDP are the left leaning party the conservatives are yup you guessedit right leanign the liberals are neither. Often people think they are between the two, sorta middle of the road party but they actuall are just a weather vane party that just says anything to get elected. It has proved very succesfull in the past but the corruption and scandals are still strong in peoples memories which is partially why they may come in 3rd place over all this election. And yes if you havent guessed i do not like the liberal party. Biggest problem i have now is that the last liberal govt (ie corrupt thieves) changed the rules so now when you vote for a party the govt gives them about 2$. I am strongly against this as I am being forced to pay for a political party even if i only voted for them because they were the only party that could beat the party i hated more in my riding. gvg: couldnt disagree more! perhaps an incentive system like i believe they have in Australia where you get a tax break if you vote would be ok but mandatory no way. If you get people who have no clue, interest or knowledge being forced to vote, you will have even worse govts than you've got now. I think it should go the opposite way, a very simple easy to pass multiple choice exam say 3-5 questions if you fail you have too little knowledge of politics to make an informed vote and thus are denied the right to vote this time around. Again it should be simple and easy. Here in canada it could be who is the prime minister? and who is the leader of the opposition? Basic stuff, unfortunately i know several people who would fail this type of exam but they do vote and always for the same party because thats the party their parents voted for. NO CLUE!!!!! this is the biggest danger to democracy people who vote without bothering to learn even the very basics of what they are voting for. I do not like instant runoff voting but our system here is different than yours. Seems even down there in the USA it can lead to abuse. You have 2 real parties there, though more could exist they dont atm. Now if i was a politicain say a democrat, Id get a third party to have an even more left wing candidate to run. this would get all the republicans to pick me the democrat over the farther left guy and of course the farther left guy voters would pick me the democrat over the republican on the 2nd round. Seems this would lead to multiple candidates from all sides using this type of strategy. not a particularily honest tactic but then this is politics. (please note i used democrats as an exampele only, same thing work in reverse for republican)

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lol problem with that statement is that it assumes you voted for the party/politicans that won the election. I cant remember the last time i voted for a candidate that actually won. Being canadian we have a different system here and dont directly elect your prime ministers. So far I have only once in my life had the chance to vote directly for the sitting prime minister. I am proud of the fact that I voted against him even though he won his seat anyway. Thefore I can always complain as i never voted for any of the morons running my country just the people who never gotten the chance to prove that they are as incompetant as those who won

OK UTF Ill play devils advocate here If you don’t vote don’t b***H. I understand you like neither of the 2 options that have any hope of winning the election, but there are other people you can vote for or even spoil your ballot. If you vote for a 3rd party candidate or spoil your vote than you have said to the 2 main parties here is someone who takes the time to vote but doesn’t like us. they will and trust me they continually do ask themselves the question of how to get you to vote for them. The parties all consider voter participation as a factor. the lower the turnout they have to listen to the population and only have to gear themselves to their "Core" voters. This is the main reason that the republicans and the democrats as parties are drifting farther and farther to the right and left respectively. the Middle doesn’t vote so ya gotta get the extremes worked up so that they come and support your side. Remember if you take the time to spoil your ballot you have said to BOTH main parties I am politically engaged but like neither of your parties. If enough people spoil their ballots the 2 parties will both try and figure out what these people who vote neither Dem nor Rep want and adopt their platforms to try and get you to support them. No political party is likely to ever be 100% in sync with your political beliefs but you hope they come close. So basicall i`m saying vote either for the lesser of 2 evils (as you view them, please I'm not advocating dem/rep), 3rd party or spoil your ballot. I must say I dislike your use of the term violence here. The govt of does not shoot you with bullets if you dont pay taxes. They will fine you and if you continue to refuse to pay your taxes they can put you in jail but i do not consider incarceration as violence. that is an increadibly broad view of the term you are using and comparing incarceration for unpaid taxes to the horrors of war in afganistan and iraq is well.. unseemly to me. I also disagree with your point on being forced to pay for wars you dislike. What about things that dont bother you but may bother others. should they have the right to refuse paying taxes on those items? If you go down that road eventually what you get is just anarchy as everyone will refuse to pay taxes on everything.

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