Izzy

Just throwing thoughts around here, but maybe we could create some sort of spreadsheet with different criteria for judging something, and give it a raw score of 'goodness'. The criteria can be at the top, with the ideas along the side. Sort of like this: Beneficial to.................... me ...... other people ..... animals...... easy to do? ..... cost efficient? ... TOTAL 1. Donating to cancer research... 7 ...........8.................3...............10................5............33 2. Bombing the UK ...............0............2..................0...............2.................1............5 3. Farming.......................9............9..................7...............6.................8...........39 4. Buying a new TV .............5............2..................0...............3................2............12 The scale is out of 10, and the higher the score the 'better' the idea. By better, I mean, has a greater positive impact on mankind. 1 and 3 are very important, 3 actually crucial for our survival, so they have higher scores. 4 is a selfish act, so overall not that great (not saying people shouldn't do what they want with their money, but that one of the goal's of Phronism shouldn't be to buy me a TV ), and 2 is just evil, so that's why they have lower scores. It isn't perfect. It's slightly biased. The beneficial to 'me' category could probably be changed... but it's a good way to get a grasp on the difference between good and bad ideas. Iklop, Freedom vs. Order and Safety (and similar disputes) can be solved by the different denominations. Though I do think we should have some consensus on where Phronism itself actually stands. I like the pagan idea of "An it harm none, do what thou wilt." (Include the right to hurt yourself.) This ensures freedom and safety, and a sense of order will be maintained anyway, because the government does that for us. If we drift into an anarchic state, which we won't, then meh. Maybe it needed to be done? Who knows.

Drug use isn't a religion any more than playing sports is. Yes, you can get 'religious' with it, just like sports fanatics, but that's drug abuse. Difference. ...But that sounds weird saying I wanted a psychedelic religion. Umm. I don't want it to revolve around drugs, but drug use incorporated into special ceremonies and whatever, for those who want to, would be fun. We could be like The Hive (seeksit, remember that one?). Umm. I can't really think of any other questions (it'll be on my mind though). The 'religion' makes sense. It will do a lot of good, granted it takes off.

[clor=purple]btw, and jsutjgonna point this out jw ow cos it seems like a good time to do so. ethanol sucks. kids evertywehre are RUINING THEIR BRIANS beaceuse its too much of an inconceineve/difficult to get better stuf than aclohol all the time. people under 21 steal from they're prentea bar. if drugs were 'norma' and parents kept that studs in the hosue instead, then hell, no rpboems. better world. just saying. okay. phtronism . basically, i dont cerae who my enighbros are as lon gas they arent exstremists. id rather have a phronist than a christian, but taht sdoeont mean phronitss will always be better than christians. ill like you mor e if your atheist, cos im shallow lkiek that, but that doesnt mean your better. well, it does. but it doenst. not always. if you know what i mena? yeah. i dont want meetings. not like, mandatory onces. thats lame. alos. haha. nv,. il post again in a few hoursa.

Unreality, you essentially took the words out of my mouth. Regarding MDMA, I have a friend who's been using it monthly for the last 10 years. He just had an MRI done at some university because he's taking part in a study. The findings were that his brain function wasn't significantly lower than someone who hadn't done any drugs. (He's done a lot of drugs, so it's not only the MDMA effecting his brain.) My response to that was "Well, it IS lower." Yeah, sure, that comes along with drug use. But he doesn't have any brain damage, and this dude is still smarter than 95% of the people out there, so it's not like it makes a difference. Though, personally I think the faintly lower brain function was do to the massive amounts of ethanol he's been known to consume, not the actual MDMA. Annnnnyway. Ecstasy is only crap when it's Ecstasy. If you get the pure stuff (which, bleh, is actually kinda hard to get nowadays, unless you make it yourself or know someone who does), chances are, you'll be alright. There are loads of sites with pillreports to help you be safe. A while back there was an incident where this one guy passed off blue guns as good MDMA when it was actually meth, so some people tried it, and the dude totally got it the next day. These people know. Invest in a testing kit if you're not sure about the quality of your stuff. Only a few dozen people in the history of EVER have died from stuff cops SUSPECT was related to MDMA usage. Bleh. Mushrooms are legal in Florida. ;D Again, biggest threat here is false identification. Websites like the Shroomery exist to help with that. It also helps to hunt with people who know the area. Or, just buy spores online. That's legal. (I think they're only legal to grow wildly because they're so difficult to eradicate, so, haha, trespassing would probably be your biggest problem when gathering. But hey, buy spores, grow your own, no problem. ;D) When regards to addiction, remember that's it's different for each person. Said guy above can handle cocaine really well but is crap with opiates. He has a friend who's the opposite. Some people get addicted to McDonalds (as seen in SuperSize me, it actually is psychologically and physically addicting), but if we aren't going to limit when a person can and can't eat there, why the hell do it with drugs? It's my RIGHT to 'pollute' my body. It's my RIGHT to CHOOSE how I want to pollute my body. I personally couldn't care less about chocolate and hot dogs. I like.. other things. Why? I don't know. It's personal preference. I don't care if people frown on that. I don't care if this is a totally taboo subject. It shouldn't be. And yeah, ethanol is really really really really really bad for you. Why is it legal while pot isn't? Don't ask me. Pot shouldn't be illegal if cigs aren't, as the only threat there is lung cancer. LSD shouldn't be illegal if hypnosis (let's pretend it's real for a sec...) isn't. What's LSD? Well, it alters your mind. Meh meh meh meh meh. I want a psychedelic denomination. I'm not saying I encourage drug use. I'm not saying I discourage it. I demand the freedom to do whatever I want with my own body, regardless of age. All I can say about safety is already in my sig. Know your body, know your mind, know your substance, know your source.

This is more of a personal philosophy to me than a religion (let it be whatever to everyone else), so I don't feel bad using it as a means to justify whatever. Though, for this, I don't care HOW I get my rights, I just want them. I want the freedom to do with myself that is promised in the American Constitution. As of now, it doesn't exist, go figure. And hey, religions (namely Christianity) have been pretty successful at getting their ways, however stupid. Yeah, I'm sick of it. There should be a total abolition of church, and if that can't happen, a COMPLETE separation of church and state. That's not going to happen any time soon, so if I can't put out the fire, I'll play with it. I was only half-joking..

Okay, I'm down with this. Getting actual followers that NEED to be guided is still a total challenge though.

Okay, there are some more problems. The first being, well, atheists, as of so far, are all free thinkers who question authority already. You can't tell an atheist what to think (though you can advise) because they already think for themselves. What we would need for this religion to work is a massive amount of atheists who jump on, and curious theists. The atheists are there to be there, because there is strength in numbers, and the sense of "Hey, everyone's doing it, me being the theist that doesn't question anything, this must be right!". The theists are the ones who NEED to be told what to think (because, as the evidence shows, they aren't capable of doing so for themselves. ) ...So, we have to make sure not to advertise this as atheism, or the theists will be like "gmoz, nooo, gawd!". Brainwash is still brainwash though... even if it is in OUR favor.

I think that would be a very interesting denomination that I can certainly see myself being a part of. Haha, I posted some BS in a forum about plants and nature and stuff a while back. We could rewrite that to fit our standards.

Hahaha. Okay, that sounds more like a religion then. I'm in. Oh, randomish question. Can Phronism's doctrine include something about how the Essence is, mostly, good, so we should be allowed, legally, to ingest whatever happens to grow/we can produce? ...;D? >_>

Okaaay. So I made it through the first two spoilers, half of the third, the forth, and the logo. Umm.. It's.. cool? It's just.. this is what all rational people do anyway. I can accept this as a philosophy, but not an organized religion. It's just.. this is stuff I already, for the most part, do, so I don't need to make the transition into it being a 'religion' for it to work for me. I suppose it's a good way for people to come together and whatever, but I'm not into that kinda stuff. Yeah, let's make an impact together, that's awesome, but we don't need a RELIGION to do it. Religion and life-style aren't synonyms of each other. This is all just a little too prettying up atheism and death for me. =/ Cute story, btw. Like yeah, they're awesome concepts, I'll admit to that. But it's not a religion.

Haha, I actually haven't seen the thread 'til now. Unreality mentioned it to me, but I couldn't be bothered to search it then (>_> sowwy), and have just stumbled upon it. ...Grayven speaks truth. >_> This will take me a while to read through because it is fairly long and hey, summer life! But I will. Especially because Unreality made it sound so awesome. Just letting you guys know I do want to be a part of this and I am interested, I just have to get some crap done first before I can sit down and read it all. I'm Izzy on RDF btw. ..I haven't posted in aaages. *edit* I also didn't realize it was a religious thread from the title. Being the... haha.. total awesome BrainDennian I am.. I.. *cough* make sure to... check all.. threads... *cough*

Awwwwwwwww. I love kittens. Awesome job.

And their stupid bugger, too!

I think you actually ended up blocking Clozobozo because I redirected you to her. Wait, unless those were the faction's group action? LIS, what did you do night one? Because I know you were redirected, and then I realized if the Queen had an unsuccessful RID Night Two that you were probably a bugger.. And then I died. D: I totally thought that was my fault until I found out JarZe was Ender. (Well, still could have been my fault, depending on other things? >_>) I redirected Limey to Eeeep on the night Eeeep died...

Page 8, QFT.

Man, that was so depressing to watch once I died. Well done, Buggers! Aweseome game SD.

haha i was reading that ant d thought cp psoted it and was rofling. almsot literaly. not thaaat asted. sd, you arlgiht buddy?

Okay, the official name is Lynkin Roffe <last name>. Pictures can be found here. They're on FaceBook, but the album is public, so as long as you're logged in, you should be able to see them.

Uhh.. All Out War?

No way. No Max, no Rex, no Buddy. Sooo, update. I'm pushing for Lynk Roffe Kraus, my mom is pushing for something like Pluto or Venus. I have some fam coming over in a bit to see him, so we'll see what they think. Gonna team him to swim, we're going boating tomorrow.

Haha, yep.

I agree. Animal neglect is a charge, right? Ooh, Sirus is another good one! Buddy I'm not big on. It's just such a cliche dog name, the name of a mayor, and the name of this friend I had when I was 5-10. Right now it's between Lynk, Azure, and Sirus. We'll see what else comes up, will consult the family, and if they have no preference, it'll be whatever name he's most responsive to.

And just because I feel like posting more cute animal pics... Here's my cat Cocoa! ..The dog's cool with her, she just kinda hisses at him. They'll learn to get along. ;D

Yay, husky. Maybe, I'd prefer Azure over Blue. What do you guys think about Lynk? The logic there was Abbie > Abe > Lincoln > Linkin > Link > Lynk. I still think he looks like an Abbie.. Lame genderness...

Haha, yeah. That's what everyone has been saying on my Facebook. I really hope he's a husky. I've wanted one ever since that movie came out what I was like 7... Eugh, why the heck would people leave a husky outside in Florida?!