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See, if I didn't know your views already, that would sound like a joke. Why wuould I piss off a fairy? I looove faries. They do me favors.

Love Ender's Game. Can't wait.

I see. Cheers, man! Let's go fairy hunting.

Well, jumping the gun means to start before a signal, so translate the meaning and then explain what an idiom is?

So is the soul a mythical creature? 'Cos I've seriously seen my soul ripped from my body and ascend to space, flying through the universe only to return to me again. (Not that I'll vouch it exists, because I understand the conditions I saw it under.) Do fairies have souls? Can my soul eat a fairy's soul?

Eugh, just realized the time. Should probably sleep too.. Don't worry, under the right circumstances (this weekendish) I can dream up some kick-butt mythical creature Atlantis can never disprove while being simultaneously suspended in a warm pool of liquid awesome, existing in a world free of pain and hate. I might even want to watch my 'soul' be ripped from my body and ascend to 'heaven'. Man wtf am I talking about. Sleep depriiiived. As long as we maintain the right to be destructive to ourselves if we wish it. Adding the the OP, be yourself, screw what everyone thinks. Man we need a drug thread or something. Wonder what the people here think about the war on drugs.. Rambling. Night. >_>

:lol: Lemme go.. eat .. something and see what I can dream up.

Nit-picking here, but I feel like pointing out alcohol and drug use can be bad, but with appropriate use (ie not abuse) they are really no worse than junk food and smoking (hell, cigarettes are worse for you than weed!)*. While it's bad to resort to anything because of depression, especially addictive substances like some narcotics (stay away from opiates, meth, and cocaine kids**), in general, they're fine. Honestly, the mental damage you can do to yourself while in that state of mind is probably worse than what certain drugs (mdma for instance) will do to you. *I am not encouraging anyone on this forum to use drugs or telling minors to drink. Please follow the guidelines/laws in your country and whatnot. Bleh. **Meth is just plain bad for you. Period. Stupid really. Some people have no problem using opiates (heroin, hyrdocodone, oxycodone, etc.) and cocaine with restraint, but those people are rare, and you're better off just staying away. If you're going to do cocaine, snort don't inject, your nasal passage is too small to take in enough, so at least you won't OD this way. Umm. Yeah. I know we have a lot of kids on this site, subject to lots of peer pressure, so.. random advice if they ever need it? Again, NOT encouraging drug use. Just wanting people to be safe if they do. Use Erowid.org for all info. Man wtf am I talking about. Be safe is all.

Oh, and be prepared for the "you're a teenager, this is just a phase" thing from your parents. It isn't easy, but the best thing you can probably counter with is "Well, so what if it isn't permanent, this is what I like now.", so they'll probably say it's just hormones raging, but yeah, bleh. I dunno, expect denial, but in the end, you should be a lot happier?

Unreality, I love you (er, not romantically, but yeah. ). You've written a bunch of spectacular points on here, but this is hands down the best, and most home-hitting, thing I've ever read from you. I agree entirely, and all I can add are some song lyrics. NOFX ftw. The Agony of Victory Come on, dance like a retard. Life's an endless party not a punch card. I don't understand some people's drive, Let's just f*ck and drink and be alive, Not just survive. Sorry, I haven't had the time to read the entire thread, on a fairly tight schedule, so I'm sure that this has mostly been said before, but Riranor, if your friends can't accept your sexuality, they aren't very good friends to begin with. From my (somewhat personal) experience, no one cares. When you introduce yourself, you don't have to be all "Hello, my name is <whatever> and I'm bi. *shakes hand*". Just be yourself, and if it comes out later, so what? Find out if your friends are homophobes first, I'm willing to bet they aren't (though maybe I'm just growing up in liberal America?), and if they are, well, show 'em being L/G/B/T doesn't make you a freak. You'll be fine, trust me.

We have an entire eleven people and two Nicks. FB Brain Den group can be found herehere. If I've actually talked to you on here, you have permission to add me. Just let me know who you are.

BrainDen. Must watch the language. >_> So.. topic?

I totally think the hippies knew what they were talking about. Personal liberties with psychedelics for all sounds like a pretty good way to live to me. Sorry I've been inactive, got suspended for a post that vaguely resembled cursing. I'm ready for the next set of subjects if that's what we're doing?

Okay, cool. This works. Final's turn to say something.

Bleh, we've had so many of those threads. We could just request that this thread be the permanent one for discussion related to all things mythical (including gods)? That's what it always becomes anyway..

Ooh, my attempt at stereotyping Final: You were raised in a fairly redneck family, possibly black (just because you seem to focus on race so much), 12-15 from typing style, but in your 20s because I know otherwise. Grew up around conservatives, but possibly liberal, mainly because you actually knew what a libertarian was. *clap* Hot-headed, low self-esteem. Maybe in college, though passing with average grades. Basically, you got in, and that's that. American - obviously. Listens to rap and hip-hop. Heterosexual. Brown eyes. 5'9"ish. 170 lbs. Ooh, okay, random one. What nationality am I? Bonus points if you get where I was born and where I live now.

Agreed with Andromeda, GOD IS A MYTHICAL CREATURE, and THEREFORE APPROPRIATE TO BE DISCUSSED IN THIS THREAD. I could have sworn (not to gawd ) a few pages ago Rookie outlined what this thread was about, God being part of that. Yeah, we've had looooooooooads of religious discussions on this site, but we've also gotten more noobs who aren't going to go look up the old threads because they want to discuss it instead of reading what other people said. Guys, no one is forcing you to read this thread. but on to other things. I dont know y you have to make fun of others and put people down when you obviously dont know much about these things (i have retarded friends too you want to make fun of them for not thinking like u do( i just realized one of them even is religious oh my friend you have hit the jack pot on this one)). Haha, I'm willing to bet I'm much more informed of and capable to debate religion than you are. I've been a nice atheist, and have grown bored of it. There's nothing I can do (well, now) to communicate the falsehood of religious to all these nuts, so for the most part, I've stopped trying. I think some NOFX lyrics can be applied appropriately here. Watch video, but since I doubt you'll sit through all of it, read this: I have no consideration Zero mutual respect For billions who suffer from rational thought neglect And it’s getting agonizing to hang out With grown adults who actually believe Mythology and history trump physics and science My aversion has turned to aberrance Oh, and just for kicks. Because blasphemy really is a victimless crime. you read my post and took what you hated and tried to mash it (u succeeded in some spots but hey even storm troopers hit broad sides of barns(get it now im making fun of u for liking the new star wars movies(yes this is a parenthesis in a parenthesis point this out as bad grammar))) I didn't 'mash' your post. I split it up into parts to make it easier to reply to (as you did with me), and countered your 'points' with much better arguments. Because you aren't capable of an actual rebuttal doesn't mean you can make false accusations about something I didn't do. My avatar and font color are symbolic, nothing you'd understand, so I won't bother explaining it. Also, wow, tasteless 'insult'. Your coolness just goes on and on, doesn't it? Mostly though you took something sarcastic or nice and general and tried to twist it to your own device(or your mind so prejudice toward religion that as soon as someone shows there religion you assume there below you and can't even understand them. (please now use the come back your right and prove to me that your in high school) I just believe theists are either idiots, brainwashed, or ignorant. The brainwashed ones I'll generally have the most sympathy for, and you can still be a theist and a cool person, but yeah, no rational outlook on the world essentially = moron. So whens the last time you heard of a homosexual stoning in America(i swear my freind was the one throwing the rocks... ) anyway the bible has many prejudices of the time. You cant avoid it. But if i remember my bible all the passages u used are from the old testament. by that logic if you great great great great grandfather owned slaves and you dont disagree with everything he ever thought and openly hate him then your a racist (this is an exageration in case you don't realize this, ill try to dumb it down from now on). There is alot of good love thy neighbor stuff in the old testament. and anyway if someone literally interprets the bible that means they dont believe in evolution, not anything ur saying. The old God is completely different then the new God of the bible. Same with the texts to judge the whole book by a few passages your mom found is insane. You forget God is the acclaimed omnipotent, omniscient, etc. SUPREME BEING. He 'knows' (haha, not in the biblical sense there, though still a virgin raper) past, present, and future. Meaning, he knew what is and isn't right, always. Why not write the book right the first time? The only reason stonings have stopped is because yeah, society's grown up. That still doesn't stop people murdering abortion doctors, bullying gays, etc. Oh, and please remember there's more to the world than the United States. Honor killings and all that stuff are still going on all over the world, and yeah, some in your country. additon- religion is used as a justification for preexisting feelings of white supremecy (the gay thing is a lil different) religion doesnt cause it. Also these people are like the 911 jackers few and far between. Also do you know that those men were recruited because al queda pays more then anyone else can reasonably make there. anyway The recruits don't concern me, Al Queda's motives do. True, religion doesn't cause racism, but generally, anything being used as a justification for racism is a bad thing. you know all atheist thats impressive, so could you tell john i wont make it to dinner next weekend, i have a homosexual woman to stone (i hope shes black too) Not getting anywhere with your case, dude. Just further proving your inability to form any sort of concrete argument, so instead throw in 'tasteless' insults. ok when i say the old miracles i mean the miracles of old. Things that were considered miracles this is an example of you either not understanding or vastly overestimating your supremacy (hey if your white that combines to being bad) Things that were considered miracles and have been proven to have a natural cause are not miracles. Just because we didn't know about <insert miracle here> a few thousand years ago doesn't mean we should completely disregard what we've learned between them and now. Also, are you insanely racist or something? you are wrong disproving proof is not evidence of anything. thats what the horrible exaggerating analogy was meant to exaggerate So you're saying, hypothetically, if I disprove evolution, that's not evidence for anything and people should go on believing in the 'nonsense'? i told u i believe in evolution (it is a theory as much as math theorem are theorem impossible to prove but very probable) but the analogy fits. im not going to restate it just reread it untill you understand it (ill come back in a couple weeks when your ready to responde (not misspelled its french for respond.) Hmm, why didn't God include that in his Holy Book then? Again, you dissing my intelligence is getting pretty pathetic. No argument, so you insult. If I hadn't checked your profile, with your typing style and maturity level, I would have probably aged you at 12-15. in closing notice im not making fun of you for being an atheist (tho i do hate u for it) im making fun of you for being close minded. Now im not saying your ignorant (tho i did say that above sorry) im just saying you refuse to accept others who have different thought or aspects of there lives. Im fine with you thinking as you do, just not yelling and making fun of people for it. to be honest that really is no better then slamming gay people. think about it, making fun of or bashing someone for thinking or being different eventhough they are doing nothing to harm you. Even I don't hate you for being a theist. Sure, I think the world would be a lot better off without you lot, and maybe we could fund cancer research instead of churches, but I don't hate you. I'm not close minded. I've looked at the evidence (or lack thereof) and made my decision. Not my fault you don't agree with it and aren't capable of doing the same. ...i could go on forever Please don't. by the way i love doing this and irregardlessly(i just used irregaurdless) i want to make some obvious guesses If they're such 'obvious' guesses, why are they mostly wrong? you are between 16 and 25, white, middle class, um lets see male, AP or advanced classes but not science or atleast you dont do too great in it, lets see pride yourself on having alot of black freinds (this is a pretty racist way to think), obviously democrat or libertarian (and use bush in order to win any argument about this)... thats all i got for now sorry i love stereotyping in situations like this Will correct these just because most are common knowledge anyway. I'm fourteen, female, social class varies depending on the parent I'm with, science is one of my best subjects, second only to math, I don't care what race you are, libertarian all the way. “In some awful, strange, paradoxical way, atheists tend to take religion more seriously than the practitioners.” Aye, for me at least. I realize how dangerous and frustratingly pointless it is.

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Become? Sorry kiddo, that's what this thread has been from the beginning. (Though I know you've bothered to read all 30+ pages. ) No, sorry, I'm not phased by creotards theists calling me names. I could easily 'humiliate' you back (which will be much more truthfully insulting than you calling me an 'a**hole'), but really, I don't see the point. You'll just go off and cry to the mods, who'll give me a little slap on the hands and possibly a suspension, and that'll be that. It's not really the consequences I'm concerned about, it's more of me stooping to the level of a five year old, embarrassing myself by doing so. Stereotypical a**hole atheist? Is that what you guys call it whenever a non-believer says something you don't agree with? Cool stuff dude. If truth and facts offend you, I'm sorry, but please realize no one has the right to not be offended, and when you are offended by something that wasn't even directed at you, well holy hell batman, don't take it personally and throw a tantrum. Since when is religion the only way to get people to behave themselves? Have you ever looked at the statistics of atheists vs. Christians in jail? I think it was something like the Christian US population being on par with the percentage of Christians in jail, (ie, if Christians made up 90% of the US, then 90% of prisoners would be Christians), but the US's population is 10% atheist, and the atheist jail population is something like .2%. Oh, and then there's the religious wars, general hatred to people of other religions, denial of truth, promotion of not wanting to understand the world, etc. Don't tell me religion makes our world better. If I understood you correctly (believe me, it was *difficult*, have you ever considered typing coherently?), you think that because I'm bored and cynical (I do believe people are motivated by self-interest, but I don't do so with distrust, because yeah, that's human nature. I myself am a hedonist.), I go around the nets looking for arguments to slaughter? That's only half true. I've cut down massively on the amount of time I allow myself to debunk BS. Oh, and debates on a public board like this one are rarely to persuade the believer (though that would be nice). It's for the agnostics and fence-sitters. Nope, completely as calm as I was before I read this. Though, to be fair, you did just admit your only motive in writing this was to piss me off. Well done, that's not very nice, and you've failed. Oh, and I have no idea what the hell 'hartless' is meant to mean. D'aww, so you just have my best interest in heart? Will you please pray for me and sacrifice a goat too? Dude, I don't really care what you believe. You're entitled to accept whatever foolishness you want. Stop worrying about my soul, and get on with your life. Oh, and please be articulate in your next post, that drove me insane! *edit* Had to go back and correct yet more of your words. I didn't bother to do punctuation or form your sentences into proper ones (not run-ons!) because that would take ages. You do realize you're presenting yourself through the way you type, right?

Do they wear pretty little dressies too?

No, we don't know, but we still have all these arbitrary details in our lives that need to be assigned names. We're able to see different colors, and henceforth assign those colors different names. It doesn't matter what the color is called, the point is that you can differentiate that color from a different color, and communicate with other people about that color. For example, if I take two non-color blind babies, that see colors differently, and show them the same piece of paper, and raise them to think the color of that paper is 'blue' (assuming most people actually see the paper as blue), and one sees green and the other orange, it won't matter, because they'll still call it blue. How do you know whether or not you're seeing colors the way other people do? It doesn't matter, because you call them the same thing. It's the same thing with taste. As long as we recognize different tastes, it doesn't matter what we call them or if they taste the same to everyone. Well, people question scientific consensus. The reason we have professionals and consensus is that people not trained in the area can safely obtain knowledge without having to have a PhD, and I don't need to be an evolutionary biologist to have confidence in evolution. I have no reason to doubt the theory, as it's been verified, checked and tested and it's passed. I can get by on basic knowledge because I can trust professionals. I generally trust professional consensus unless I have good reason not to, and that's what other people are for. Almost all science is peer-reviewed, so it's very unlikely BS is going to get by. Maybe if you doubted your religion as much as you doubt evolution, you would get somewhere. Atheists have lots of stuff! A rational outlook on the world! The ability to stay cheerful even when the world is pointless/depressing! A clear mind! Oh, and a really cool support group. Uh-huh... Which one, and why is that god the right one?

My emphasis. You think being a homosexual stoning, woman oppressing, genocidal racist makes a you good person? Or, if there are "good atheists", a better person? You're insane. Anyone who actually lives by the Bible, the literal interpretation with every line followed, is by all moral standards, a TERRIBLE person. Not even close. Though personally, I would never trust the feeling off a theist, anyway. Perhaps you should ignore your own? Moving on. No, I don't believe in God/mythical creatures because there IS NO EVIDENCE FOR THEIR EXISTENCE. Really, this should all be a brain exercise. Remember when you got over Santa? Do the same thing with your god. Really, there's a lot more evidence for Santa than God. Flaws with both. I don't see evil. I see natural disasters and human cruelty and ignorance. Though to be fair, this is brilliant: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? -Epicurus" Surely, if something is a miracle, ie, something that is surprising and not explicable by natural or scientific law and must therefore be the result of divine intervention, and that something is explained by scientists, then it isn't a miracle? This is classic fallacious thinking. "I don't know how this happened, so Gawd must have done it." We do realize that. I've said it myself on this board before. Absence of proof isn't proof of absence, but it's certainly evidence for it. Search through some of the older threads. All this has been covered.. What a terrible analogy; we're not saying that at all. Unrelated, but do you understand color/sight at all? There's actually a very little range of visible light we can see, so no one actually sees stuff the way it is. Also, when you look at something, there's a pretty limited amount you can see, so the rest is your brain imagining it. Do you honestly want to argue this point? Sure, there are changing trends. You know those lime green checkered skinny jeans every thinks are so fab? That's what the punks were wearing in the 80s! It's (mostly) cyclical. With regards to religion, what? Total face palm dude. The reason Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc. have survived so long is because parents are passing them down to their offspring, and the kids believe the nonsense. If we had every other generation rebelling against their parents, well, religion would have died by now, because no one would bother passing it down. FORTUNATELY, science has advanced tremendously and scientific essays are becoming much more accessible, so anyone can look into the BS of religion. Scientific ignorance is no reason to assume a deity did it. *edit* Had to split post because it was too long. See next page before responding.