Auramyna

@ Klue - This is what I mean about you using outside of game info in your reasoning. Every post of mine has been in reaction to things said and done within the game I'm in. I have explained why I got suspicious of you. Why would you make a statement such that you'll try not to play in the same game as me? It's a game! It stays within the game. As for calling you KlueApprentice, I thought that was your nickname as I heard others refer to you in that vein. On MM we tend to make up names for each other, you should take it as a compliment that you're being accepted into the fold. I wouldn't take offence to anything you say (or do) within the game and then carry that over to another game. Each game is separate to me; it has to be that way otherwise too much metagaming results from it. But I can say that the reason I suspected you in both games was for the same reason; that you were acting like a baddie. And this is what floored me; that you would act that way when you are a goodie *confused*. If I decide to lynch a player because they are a baddie in another game I'm playing, would that make any sense? That hurts me just as much as it hurts you. My aim is to work with what I've been given to find the truth. I don't understand why you can't understand what I'm saying to you. If we were in a game right now, I would assume you were playing me. For future reference, just assume that I'm reacting to within-the-game stimulus. I'm not a vengeful person; my ire comes out when I think someone is being illogical or not makng sense. I'm sorry if you thought it got personal. Let's start again *shake hands* and if I attack you within a game, just know it's what I'd do to any player in the given situation.

/agreed There are many instances were British/Australian spelling uses 'ou' rather than 'o' but this is not one of them. (Speaking as an Australian who can spell.). Search on Wikipedia, it'll tell you.

Does anyone have any questions or points to clarify in the meantime? Ask anything, there are no dumb questions.

If we have enough backups, we could even be mentors for the new players and step in as a backup for our particular player if needed. That way, we have backups and mentors w/out the mentor/backups knowing anything beyond the one role. TO ALL NEW MAFIA PLAYERS: In the past we have provided mentors for Trainer Manual Mafia. This means you're assigned someone who can answer your questions and assist you during the game. If you think this would be helpful for you, let us know as we'd like your first mafia experience to be a positive one. Once you learn/ get involved in the game, there's no going back. You'll be addicted like me, and the more the merrier.

You said the spy should fear being redirected (or listed it as a case where it may confuse the player) so to clarify - if a player spies A and is redirected to spy B instead, are you saying they will receive a PM stating "A is [b's role])? The way it's been usually is as follows: If I spy A and am redirected to B, I receive a PM from the host saying "B is [b's role]". So which way does it work out as in this game? If the spy never knows when they have been redirected, they can't trust ANY of the spy info received. So it would be a weakened version of the spy role; sort of like an insane cop (but at least the insane cop has a chance to logically deduce correct info.) But of course diff hosts have different equally valid views; just want to pin down your view before the game starts

Lead Writer: curr3nt Lead Animator: araver 1. Aaryan 2. Hirkala 3. Molly Mae 4. 5. 6. 7. Aura 8. 9. 10. 11. 12.TheCube 13. 14. 15.maurice 16. Back-ups 1. 2. 3. A bit of contusion and confusion but it's coming to a conclusion. And it's more to do with me than the OP.

Also, Klue acted so scummy that although I kept intending to go back and read through the night posts (which I had a feeling had actually cleared him) , I never got around to it. So sorry Klue, I guess I was a bit illogical too.

Okay, I just want to say here, that although I was all over KlueApprentice, I did say I was suspicious of curr3nt. It was out of those two but KA was acting very illogical and trying to put blame on people who claimed at the beginning without making any claims himself (I understand he didn't want to narrow down Harry/Ron/Colin for the baddies.) You did a good job Curr3nt, the only reason I suspected you was because everyone else was ruled out. You did an excellent job of staying under the radar and everything you said sounded like "goodie talk". Klue, everything you said sounded like pushing the blame. Why would you act that way as a goodie? The logical thing for a goodie to do would be to suspect one of the non-claimers, not one of the early claimers. It's not like a baddie could spy kill on N1 and assume a goodie's identity. If somebody else was Dumbledore or one of the claimed stones, wouldn't it have made it a lot easier to narrow it down if they counterclaimed? Also Klue, why do you openly admit to meta-gaming? You do realise that's against the rules? This is something you have been openly discussing ever since Newbie Mafia 2 and then through all the other mafias you've been in and the shoutbox too! It's not right. And now that the game is over you can tell me what meta-gaming put me as a baddie. I only went by your activity in the thread, and you have to admit you were acting very suspicious. When you kept trying to push for me or Chaits to be lynched or RID killed, it appeared to me as if you were trying to waste all the goodies actions. Those actions would have been much better spent on checking out the unknowns. Can you see it from my point of view? Now can you explain your point of view to me?

I agree. I said that for me, it is out of Klue and curr3nt, it's just that Klue is acting very illogically and suggesting things that a goodie wouldn't suggest. EDIT- Okay, then why did Slick self vote if he is good? It's really not that hard to work this out. Am I on candid camera or something?

I just can't believe Klue is still saying people should spy me. It makes more sense to spy an unknown. If you're a baddie, then good on you for not giving up but you need to refine the logic as that's what's giving you away. So we lynch Slick as per his request and Klue's plan. And then we figure out what to do tonight.

I came to this thread because I saw that Nana7 had started it so figured she couldn't beat me to the answer, like she always does! (I wish I was that intelligent......and fast.) But I was beat anyway

WOOT! Best idea EVAR! By the way, things are clear but it is you that is muddying the waters. My only mistake was playing into your trap and believing that you didn't know what you were on about. DISCLAIMER: this could all be an elaborate ruse by Slick to put the blame onto Klue. But then again, if Klue ended up a goodie, it wouldn't win it for the baddies anyway so there's no reason for Slick to do that. I agree with KlueMaster. Let's do his plan. Just to show good faith, I will change my vote to Slick. You can do the honours Klue.

I'll tell you what confuses me: that there are only two spots left for baddie and Slick is one of them. So either curr3nt or Klue HAVE to be the last baddie, but they are both trying to extend the game and pull the lynch off the baddies and on to the goodies. I think curr3nt is just overthinking it and that's okay. Better to do it here than with more experienced players. But Klue - I don't have anything against you. I know it seems like I've been jumping on you lately but it falls into these categories. 1) In some instances, you're a baddie 2) In some instances you're making bad decisions. 3) My weakness is that I can't stand stupidity or illogic. Good on you for still refusing to give in after Slick has outed your role completely but seriously, don't try to make it look personal when you know I've been right in everything I've pulled you up on. Now, I have written a story to express myself better. Just to explain my point and perhaps explain and sum up what has happened here.

@ Curr3nt - How would Stone 2 or 4 know to let Harry take their role? How would they know it isn't a baddie taking their role? Seriously, just stop second guessing stuff that is obvious. Seeing as you are into probability, think about the probability that no-one would counterclaim a baddie that is claiming their role (which would help us all figure out who the baddies are) compared to the probability that Slick would dob himself and the second most suspicious person in as the baddies when they are actually goodies. Chasing a 1% chance is wasting time when you have a 99% chance right in front of you.

Are you serious? You want to test my claim when no-one has counterclaimed me? You realise that the baddies kill every night? This is our kill and you want to close the gap by what ends up to be 2 players? Let's review: Aura has claimed Dumbledore. She claimed this right at the beginning pretty much. NOBODY has counterclaimed. (Which would be a great way to avoid lynching goodies (by lynching a baddie), and the "real" Dumbledore has nothing to fear by outing himself as Dumbledore ranks lower on the baddies list of targets.) Akaslickster has voted for HIMSELF. He has told us by actions and words that he is ready to throw the towel in. And you want to vote for me? I don't care if we have 50 goodies and have time to lynch half of us to double-check our roles before we move on to the baddies. I want this game over to be honest. The longer we wait, the more likely people go inactive. (Correction: this game IS over, we are just playing it out to the end.) Can you guys come over to MafiaManiac.net? And be sure to get on the opposite team cos I need rep points and an ego boost. Has no-one noticed that Slick voted for Klue? I started typing this post before I saw that and was already going to say that by Klue's post to Chaits, it is obvious he is a baddie. From my understanding Chaits was referring to the plan that Araver proposed. Anyway, getting this lynch right outweighs losing Harry I think, just off hand without crunching the numbers. Think about it: why would Slick, a very experienced player, out himself AND his team mate? Why? Because this game has already been won by the goodies. It's a numbers thing. Even if we got the lynch wrong, by tomorrow, we would know for sure. But hey, I want to hear Klue defend a bit more so I'll know all his tells.

Ha, that's funny. Slick votes for himself so Araver goes, nah let's lynch someone else. I should try that defense next time. N.B- @Araver - I understand that we want to get Malfoy before Ginny. It just struck me as humorous. Combining the inactivity with Slick's vote, I say he just wants out of the game already. Well, dammit Slick, we can't let you do that! By hook or by crook you will finish this game! Didn't your mother tell you to always finish what you start? Now where is Chaits. I thought if I posted again, he might turn up....

I lol'd irl. I really made it obvious didn't I? But I play slightly different on BD than on MM. I must defend him. He is easy to talk to on N1 or outside of the game. @YoDell and Curr3nt - The point of Araver publicising everyone's claims is that we can all see what hints we didn't pick up on. Then, if any of us are one of the characters that has been claimed, we will realise and say "Hey, a baddie claimed my role!" So, as the original claims have been public for a while now, if any one was going to counterclaim, they should've. Ofc someone could claim Anon26's role if the baddies had spied him/her before killing, or guessed luckily. But I don't think the OOA allow this, and plus it is an action spy. NOTE: Games vary. Sometimes if you role-spy a player on the night they are killed, you find out their role. But in most games, the spy does not go through if they are killed. It depends on the host. Spying and killing the same person on the same night is called a spy-kill. @Aaryan- You really shouldn't be making so many ghost posts. Especially on topic ones like you are doing. You aren't supposed to say anything at all and certainly not asking the host questions. You can't be pointing out information or ways of thinking to the players. Even off topic ones are banned. (Unless you have the express permission of Shadow7 of course.) It looks as if by Slick being blocked, Peace isn't counterclaiming herself as Ron. I vote Slick for obvious reasons. He is acting too suspicious to start off with and we have narrowed things down through the host posts. JK Rowling: Shadow7 Random House: Akriti 1. Peace - voting for Slick 5. yoDell 6. Thalia - voting for Yodell 7. Chaits 9. Slick 10. Araver - voting for Slick 11. KlueMaster (EDM) - voting for Slick 12. Auramyna -voting for Slick 13. Curr3nt (Segul) 2. nox - dead; RIDed by Harry N2 and revealed as Basilisk 3. Aaryan - dead; lynched D1 and found to be Hermione 4. Anon26 - killed by Baddies 8. Q-Cumber - lynched D2 and found to be Riddle edited to add Thalia's vote

Actually Yodell, it is not a coin flip. It is "random among the tie" which means only one gets lynched. Coin flip means a coin is separately flipped for each tied player, meaning anywhete from zero to all of the tied players could be lynched. I know, it's a fine distinction, but I just thought I'd clear that up By my calculations we have 3 hours until voting closes. As bad as it would be if we lynched another goodie, peace is being quite suspicious by logging on periodically to "check in" but not actually saying much of substance related to the game. I'll leave things as they are for now but am strongly considering moving my vote.

Yes, that's why i asked you. I'm up to pg 5 and haven't found the tie post yet. I don't feel good about lynching someone who isn't here to defend. But we don't have anuthing to go on so it is much of a muchness. I'll check back and very likely change.

@yodell - what happens in a tie?

@ araver: I would have expected you to pick up on the fact that I made a claim that I couldn't back down from later. And yes, I shouldn't have hinted with so little vote pressure but there was too much questioning over what Aaryan said before he died. I just wanted to clear it up so you could move on.

Zomg, that's freaky. Are you stalking me, Chaits? Yes I know what I said. But he has come back online so he can defend. Also, I am watching the thread and I am willing to change my vote. In fact I almost intend on it. If you read my post, you will see that I made a non sequitir comment. (Clue- I don't have a beard irl.). If anyone has any basis for a vote, I'm listening. I am taking a stab in the dark. Would you rather I vote for someone with no votes on them?

NK Rowling: Shadow7 Random House: Akriti 1. Peace 5. yoDell - voting for Aura 6. Thalia - voting for Peace 7. Chaits 8. Q-Cumber 9. Slick-voting for Q-Cumber 10. Araver - voting for Peace 11. EDM 12. Auramyna - voting for Q-Cumber 13. Segul 2. nox - dead; RIDed by Harry N2 and revealed as Basilisk 3. Aaryan - dead; lynched D1 and found to be Hermione 4. Anon26 - killed by Baddies I'm not too sure on this at all but I have limited options. Edited to remove quotes. May return to amend vote.