curr3nt

Yes, he could be a baddie. But no one has countered that he isn't Germany. "Night-post will show only successful actions. Spies will not be shown (just hinted at)." Goodie (still alive) actions N1 USA Unsuccessful Israel Successful Russia unknown - Guess it could be unsuccessful if he tried to spy Solman or Molly... Not much of a hint though so why use it as a hint? Germany Unsuccessful - Not in night post England - No Action Spain same as Russia For it to be any use as a hint he would have to be claiming USA or Germany.

It was the buddying up to Hirkala early, the vote mod to save him and the quote referencing Wincons when I switched my lynch vote to him. He referenced a clue he left in D1 and the closest I could find that might fit a clue was his referencing Molly and USA wanting to save him for later. He mentioned it twice. First post and when Molly voted for him. I thought the only goodie that could know that was Russia via a spy on Hirkala. All those together made be suspect him as Russia. Now seems more like trying to cover if Molly got outed as baddie.

You didn't question Thalia being England... If you question Golf being Germany then ask him why he claimed to be unsuccessful N1 when Hirkala ended up claiming USA. Do you claim USA then nothing you can do about Hirkala but then you would know who Molly could be... Do you claim Russia? Do you counter Solman being Spain? You want to claim Israel then you know who Russia was forced to spy N1. You want to be Sweden?

Hooded Figure: Araver 1. Molly Mae 2. Hirkala - arrested by Sweden - cannot vote or be voted during D2. 3. maurice - voting for curr3nt 4. Thalia 5. curr3nt - voting for maurice 6. Framm - Killed by the Secret Alliance 7. Shadow7 8. solman - voting for Molly Mae 9. golfjunkie 10. Marq- Voting forCurr3nt 11. Vineetrika - Lynched and found to be Australia Got it Thalia. Ok maurice, if you aren't Russia then which goodie could you be? You wanted me to think you were USA, Russia, England or Israel. If you aren't Russia then why would the baddies pick Vine over you for lynch? That would mean Marq would have had to act to save you.

If Marq is Russia, then maurice can't be. Russia is the only goodie role I can logic into fitting Marq's claim for knowing two matches are wrong.

Thalia...should we be questioning Maurice?

Holy crud I am an idiot...Marq can't be Iran he was trapped but Iran acted.

Is he a baddie?

Ask Araver again if you want to be sure. If he is Iran then we have a good chance of taking the baddies out.

Sweet Thalia is here!

@Marq - Which goodie would know that two were wrong. One I can understand but two? I do not see how Germany could learn a second role. Being England means you spied yourself. Being Israel means you redirected yourself. Being USA means you know Hirkala isn't and what Molly was spied as. Being Spain would mean you know Solman isn't Spain and how could your message have gotten to someone N1? Being Russia means you would know maurice wasn't Russia and maybe another depending on who Israel redirected you to. --- I would very much believe Solman over you so that leaves Russia. If maurice isn't Russia then who else could he be but a baddie?

Let me go get the quotes again to show you where they are coming from. Hirkala- Hirkala with bonus reference to Molly being spied as Spain Golf Thalia

Bad move Marq. Hirkala is claiming USA because he said his action was unsuccessful AND he mentions a spy result. Golf is claiming Germany because he too said he was unsuccessful and USA is taken. Thalia is claiming England because she said she didn't have an action. I have Maurice as Russia because I suspected him of spying Hirkala and vote mod. I have Solman as Spain because he objects to Molly being Spain and didn't object to Golf or Thalia. (I also know he is UN.) I have Molly as Argentina because I know he was spied as Spain and SOlman objected. This is supported by Hirkala questioning a spy result. Since Spain is the only result that is not conclusive. --- If you knew two of these were wrong then you would be questioning them as well as me. You didn't. You didn't even bother mentioning which ones were wrong. You don't have to give the roles just which two do you know are wrong?

To perserve Araver's host neutrality. I have and do ask question about other roles in my convo with him. My reference to the answer he already gave me is not to be taken as the host supporting my claim at being Sweden. Only that I did in fact ask that question in the convo before asking it here. Thank you for your understanding.

Also maurice. Solman pointed out to me that some of the reasons I thought you were Russia could have been actions of a baddie. As I see it only Russia spying Hirkala or a baddie could have been so sure of Hirkala that early in the day. Based upon everything I believe you are either Russia or China (or a baddie and power played China's vote mod) If other player posting activity is to be any judge... it is seeming to be less likely that both Russia and China were active enough to know how to change votes at the end of the day. Occum's razor would have you as baddie since taking a vote from you and putting it on Vine is the easiest means of lynching Vine. I thought you were Russia because you were believing that I was Sweden because I thought it reasonable that you would spy me. Now you are questioning who I am? If you didn't spy me then who did you spy?

So the only way for Sweden to stop USA from using RID Kill is for Iran to redirect. Iran could also redirect England to stop USA. Since USA can't die N3 Iran is the only baddie that CAN stop USA. Hence the reason I want to lynch Iran. Hence the reason I hadn't voted yet because I do not know who Iran is but I think others could help catch them. I was waiting for someone that knew something to get on and say something.

Golf and Thalia are still NOT solid either...

Four of "my" claims are not mine. Hirkala, Golf, Thalia and your claims came from your actions during the day. Hirkala, Golf and Thalia were straight from statements made. Yours was more round about. I'm not sold that you are Russia yet. Golf and Thalia are still solid either. I didn't know for sure at first but now I know Hirkala is UN for sure. ----- I know why no one said much during the night. As for countering or adding to them during the day, no one else has been posting or voting except you and Solman. And Solman was nice enough to counter a claim by going against Molly.

Hooded Figure: Araver 1. Molly Mae 2. Hirkala - arrested by Sweden - cannot vote or be voted during D2. 3. maurice - voting for curr3nt 4. Thalia 5. curr3nt - voting for Marq 6. Framm - Killed by the Secret Alliance 7. Shadow7 8. solman - voting for Molly Mae 9. golfjunkie 10. Marq 11. Vineetrika - Lynched and found to be Australia Maurice wants me to vote so guessing Marq is Iran until told otherwise.

You told me Sweden can't arrest the same person twice in a row. Is Sweden only allowed to arrest the same person twice if redirected the second time?

Can anyone prove or counter Me claiming Sweden Hirkala claiming USA maurice claiming Rusia Golf claiming Germany Thalia claiming England Suspecting that Solman is Spain which makes Molly Argentina If true then that would make Framm Israel or a baddie being weird. (Baddies do kill their own at times) That leaves Marq and Shadow as baddies or on the off chance Israel This is why it is important to know who Marq is. If he is China and no one counters the assumptions then Shadow is Iran. If Marq is Iran then great! If Marq is neither then we know who is lying from the assumption.

Answer to Vine's similiar question to tide you over until Araver responds again. So I have an individual and a roughly group type wincon.

I would vote for Iran...but I do not know who that is. We need other people to get on. Knowing info on Marq would help.

Ammendment so that you might actually answer that. Baddies could be including Sweden if secret wincon would prevent a UN Alliance when after Secret Alliance eliminated. So if the game doesn't end after the Secret Alliance is gone you know you have to kill me.

and Israel can have fun redirecting China N3 if we can figure out who that is...