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No, you pretty clearly don't understand/want to understand science. Childhood indoctrination, what can I do? Citation please? I'm sure there is a logical explanation.

Before the Big Bang there was nothing. It's the actual Big Bang bit we're having problems with, but nothing I can't see science failing to solve within the decade. I'm not trying to prove atheism right. I'm advocating evolution, which you 'dissed' in your first post in this thread. I'm merely demonstrating how your view 'has more holes in it than a Dutch dam made of Swiss cheese.'

1. Whatever, you get the point. 2. Bacteria forms in damp areas. I wouldn't consider 'dampness' a form of life. Moisture is, in a sense matter, but non-living. Really, your God of the gaps approach isn't going to get you far. I can easily counter with "Well, where did God come from?", your response probably being "He was always here." If science can explain much of the same things through solid, verified facts, what's the point of a god that goes against these facts but was magically always here? Unless your god wasn't always here. Then, where did he come form?

This topic is too tempting to resist. However, I won't intrude yet, rather, I'll wait for fallacious posts and de-bunk them in the same manner a tiger devours its meal, i.e., rip to shreds.

Why would a species die off just because of evolving DNA? I assume you know how reproduction works. Mommy-Ape and Daddy-Ape have a Baby-Ape, but oh noes, Baby-Ape has a slight gene mutation, still being ape-like, but not like mommy and daddy. Evolution is a fairly slow process, which is still going on, and eventually Baby-Ape has more Baby-Apes, all with other subtle gene differences, and eventually you get the homo sapiens, a species of mutated apes. If the originating species dies off, it's because of a failure to adapt, not because other species may have evolved from it. 'Why are there still apes around?' is kind of like asking 'Why are the parents of children with birth defects still around?', or 'If Judaism evolved from Christianity, why are there Christian still around?'

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Because ID has been proven to be bull sh*t countless times? What holes? Please don't tell me you're referring to gaps in the fossil records? If you are, you'd be surprised to learn how much we would still know about our evolutionary past without them, and with fossils alone or with no fossils at all, evolution would still be completely supported. You're clearly unaware of the rigorousness of the scientific method. Scientists don't come up with things just to disprove your silly gods, most could care less. The reason evolution has survived as established fact is because there's such an overwhelming amount of evidence for it; you'd have to be a moron not to accept it. As Richard Dawkins said, "If every fossil were magicked away, the comparative study of modern organisms, of how their patterns of resemblances, especially of their genetic sequences, are distributed among species, and of how species are distributed among continents and islands, would still demonstrate, beyond all sane doubt, that our history is evolutionary, and that all living creatures are cousins. Fossils are a bonus. A welcome bonus, to be sure, but not an essential one." Maybe, just maybe, before completely revealing your ignorance for the world to see, read a book, and quit whining about an established fact that you don't agree with only because it doesn't fit with your scriptures. I'm sure if the tables were turned and the Bible mentioned evolution, this would be a much welcomed concept, one that would win the Templeton prize, no doubt.

... Bible (if so, which version), Koran, etc.

Kawnsentrait! Good to have you back. We seem to be on the same 'team' this time.

I intend to drink the toxin, and check my bank account for the money. If it isn't in, I drink the toxin, making the billionaire cover all medical expenses, and then demand he give me money for drinking his crap. A deal was a deal, and I did intend to drink the toxin, thereby holding up my end of the bargain.

Dude, what part of this are you missing? There are two cups, A and B. Cup A contains $1000. Cup B contains either nothing or $1,000,000. You cannot only pick cup A (which I missed before, but it's insignificant). So, cup B must be picked, either with cup A, or by itself. Now, assuming the Seer knows nothing about me (which we know isn't true), I have a 1/4 shot of walking away with either $1,001,000, $1,000,000, $1000 or nothing. Now, clearly I want to go for more cash, meaning I have to eliminate the worst options. The nothing can be avoided by deciding to pick cups A and B instead of just B. Unfortunately, this also knocks out the $1,000,000. Now I have a 50-50 shot of getting either $1,001,000 or $1000. Again, that's assuming the Seer hasn't been observing me, so fair odds. Now, we all know the Seer has been keeping an eye on me, and knows I think logically. However, he also knows I know he's thinking this of me, meaning there's a slight possibility that he might say I pick only Cup B, but in reality I pick both cups, and leave with $1,001,000. If he thinks I would pick both cups, then that means there would have been nothing under Cup B anyway. So, I would leave with either $1,000 or nothing. Is this making any sense yet? $1,001,000 or $1000 > $1000 or nothing. *edit* He doesn't KNOW, because he isn't omniscient.

Yes there is. If I trick the Seer, do everything right, and somehow get the million dollars, then the thousand under Cup A will still be there. It doesn't go away.

Haha, Annihilationism. Coolest word ever. Whatever, dude. You're religion is just another little subsection of Christianity and Islam (whichever came first), no more right than its parents. Who came up with Annihilationism? What book do you follow?

I think everyone is going to choose Cup B anyway, which the Seer probably realizes. I can't see anyone going for only A. So, in most cases, B will be empty. Except for the people that the Seer thinks will truly only pick cup A. (Because, I assume it's in the Seer's best interest to keep his money, right?). You'd have to trick him completely, which would be difficult. The Seer probably also assumes no one will go for just A. B is too tempting. So.. yeah.

Spookify, if the Seer has observed me, and indeed he has, he would know I would pick cup B regardless. Now, because the items were placed under the cups BEFORE I chose, and can't change while I'm choosing, I could either: 1. Pick cup A only, and receive $1000. 2. Pick cups A and B and receive $1,001,000. (Because whether or not I pick A, B will still contain $1,000,000.) 3. Pick cups A and B and still only receive $1000. Now, if I've managed to fool the Seer, I get option 2 and $1,001,000. If I haven't, I wouldn't get the million regardless of whether I picked cup B by itself or not. So, my answer remains, pick cups A and B.

Wait wait wait. You claimed to believe EVERYTHING in the Bible, but refuse Hell? I assume that's pretty much only because it isn't to your family's liking, much the same as other Bible verses that aren't taken literally anymore.

Fair enough, I also predicted you'd say that. I'm cool with 1000 dollars, but am curious as to why the Seer would want a million going out to 'irrational' people. *edit* Wait, I think I'm on the verge of figuring out a way to fool the Seer. Other than posting stupidly, obviously. I'm sure there has to be a way besides faith to get the big bucks? Wait for it..

I would take both cups. If it has been predetermined what are under both cups anyway, I may as well go for both. Assuming the Seer thinks this of me beforehand, I'm selling myself short by only picking one cup. If the Seer thinks I'll only pick one cup for me beforehand, well, an even bigger win.

Though, you assume God would know who would grow up and sin anyway? Again, God knew these babies would be aborted before they were. So, aborted babies are predetermined to go to Hell, thanks to nothing they've done themselves. God is a baby-doomer..

Hahaha, I'm not sure. But maybe

Same.

But why? They didn't meet God's standards.

So, do all the people ignorant about your god not go to heaven for not knowing?

Whose to say that if something interesting comes up, I won't learn anything? I will, if any sort of persuasive anything ever comes up.

And I said Nick was bad from the start. ..Just, not exactly the right role.