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My character seems more interesting as a guy. yuiop- The Dude - angry, insistent, by-the-book, impatient, wants answers DudleyDude- Detective Lebowski - chill, laid-back, stoned out of his mind, but has interesting insight Joe's Student - Reno Starkey (Dockhand) - practical, rough around the edges, just getting dough for the wife and kids back on Earth Human Servant - careful, precise, very professional and always snaps to attention of Rombridge; rises in the ranks to be personal manservant to such an important guy Glycereine- Mr McCudgeon - victorian royalty, distant cousin of the prince. A heavily bewhiskered man who's here to pretend to be nice while gleaning pieces of informational meat to use in his business of interstellar commerce (being the CEO of Star Merchants Incorporated) GMaster479 - Mrs McCudgeon - his wife; this is the person that gets drunk way before everyone else LJayden - Chief Mlaku - leader of the human tribespeople that have assimilated into the local flora and fauna of the forest planet of Shoshth; Mlaku is very strange (and it's a running joke that the gender is unknown) and talks in somewhat broken english with even stranger social customs Izzy - Maw Mivvelton - renowned poet and painter. Cliche artistic bohemian to the point of being a sellout. However, his work is absolutely loved by Rombridge and he invites him to every party and event like this. Abhisk - Jicochi - yep some punk kid with an astro-harpoon managed to break in with a video camera to prove his stunt to his friends back at the one of many orbital space station residence units. Except the video camera may have captured useful footage… Framm 18- Captain Fleur - the sharp-eyed captain of the LEVIATHAN, Rombridge's ship, and a renowned ex-space-stuntman. The only person here qualified for an exterior shell traversal procedure. Fleur is an extremely stubborn Baptist straight from Kentucky, drawl and all filly678 - Al the Random Person - this person had no clue what their name was until they saw it on their wallet ID along with 500 dollars in cash. They have no idea how they got here. Their name wasn't on the guest list. They've become sort of the interesting focus of the party, with all the rich patrons eager to hear & gossip about this development dawh - Hex4dash9 - special all-purpose synthetically-intelligent servant robot. TALKS IN ALL CAPS. Has to follow a certain list of rules only known to h4-9

Lol, as if it was a fair game. The Uruguay ref realized he'd eventually have to face Germany himself and got penalty hard happy. Germany's overall playing was far superior to Serbia, especially in the second half. We were down one man, and battling against your freaking eight defenders. Your goal was only because Klose got red carded, btw. Again, becuase the ref is a.. well.. see my recent FB statuses. http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/06/18/serbia-1-0-germany-tactics/ What up with England sucking today?

Eh, if you believe in Gawd, Gawd's fault. He willingly allowed a sproglet to sprout inside a woman he knew (with his omniscience) would abort. God's a baby murderer, atheists just eat them.

(Abortion has prevented the life of 50-mil+ Americans, but if we're comparing country population, that's a pretty insignificant factor. America is enormous. Populations by country: China: 1,324,655,000 USA: 307,006,550 England: 49,138,831 Germany: 82,110,097 Russia: 141,950,000 Brazil: 191,971,506 ) *edit* No reply to my post? D: (I dunno if you saw it, the board was being screwy earlier.)

Can you guys believe this stupid ref?! Sending of Klose and carding Schweinsteiger for FALLING.

Back up. Evolution was NOT commonly accepted until the 1930s. Before that, it faced enormous opposition, but people eventually overcame this because of the overwhelming evidence. There are team of scientists WORLD WIDE doing nothing but trying to prove your silly little saviour. Google them, yeah? Bananaman (Ray Comfort) is probably also you'll be interested in seeing, type that into the YouTube search engine. It's not very public because they've yet to discover one iota of evidence for your creator. Presumably, the reason only 7% of scientists believe in a god is because as scientists and not members of the general public, they realize the importance of concrete evidence and don't make conscious efforts to deny truths placed before them. If you're really open minded about this, which all scientists should be (and if you're going to make any scientific endeavors AT ALL), I suggest you read "God: The Failed Hypothesis". I am also young (we're the same age actually ), but that has never hampered my ability to educate myself and seek out others' experiments. There was a pretty good one about prayer. A church was asked to come pray for people in a hospital, and a computer told them who to pray for and whether or not to tell them so it was all random. Half told the people they were praying for them, half didn't. Results? The deaths from both groups were about even, a little more in the group that knew they were praying for them (supposedly a placebo, because they thought they needed to be prayed for). Basically, shows NO divine intervention, meaning praying is pointless. Throwing out more testimonial crud? C'mon, even you should see why that's pointless. =/ Sorry, it should have been "Yes", "No", "Wait a little bit". And that doesn't change the fact that I can pray to a potato chip and get the same results. WOAH. Cancer isn't terminal. Even "terminal cancer" isn't terminal. Cancer is irregular cell growth during meiosis when the cell splits (lol, can't remember stages right now). Obviously, your body is going to consider this a foreign cell and try to destroy it. Our bodies are incredible things, and are constantly working to rebuild themselves. Just because we don't know exactly what peoples' bodies are doing when they "miraculously" recover doesn't mean god did it. *shrug* Why would gawd make cancer? ..Or he didn't, the devil did, and gawd isn't strong enough over come it? So much for an omnipotent being.. I have dreams too! They're like fortune cookies and horoscopes. You can interpret them however you want, that doesn't mean they're from god and it doesn't mean your interpretation is right. I could interpret that as you repressing your serial killing past and wanting your god to forgive your past. Or it means you aren't done killing and can't wait for your reservoir to fill completely. (It's okay, you know, I'm right, God told me.) Why would god only show himself to a small elite via dreams? It wasn't an experiment. It's a website based off of an observation. Amputees legitimately pray for their limbs back, but gawd never supplies. What gives? Why do parents spank their kids? I wouldn't know. Maybe if you actually explain to your kid what they're doing wrong, they'll stop. The logic being "I won't lie because it makes people feel bad and shatters my good reputation with trust", rather than "I won't lie because daddy will hit me!" Doesn't matter. You mentioned Hitler, you broke Godwin's Law and consequently lose the thread. *shrug* Doubtful. My apologies for removing your color, btw. Too much effort to maintain that with all these quotes.

Back up. Evolution was NOT commonly accepted until the 1930s. Before that, it faced enormous opposition, but people eventually overcame this because of the overwhelming evidence. There are team of scientists WORLD WIDE doing nothing but trying to prove your silly little saviour. Google them, yeah? Bananaman (Ray Comfort) is probably also you'll be interested in seeing, type that into the YouTube search engine. It's not very public because they've yet to discover one iota of evidence for your creator. Presumably, the reason only 7% of scientists believe in a god is because as scientists and not members of the general public, they realize the importance of concrete evidence and don't make conscious efforts to deny truths placed before them. If you're really open minded about this, which all scientists should be (and if you're going to make any scientific endeavors AT ALL), I suggest you read "God: The Failed Hypothesis". I am also young (we're the same age actually ), but that has never hampered my ability to educate myself and seek out others' experiments. There was a pretty good one about prayer. A church was asked to come pray for people in a hospital, and a computer told them who to pray for and whether or not to tell them so it was all random. Half told the people they were praying for them, half didn't. Results? The deaths from both groups were about even, a little more in the group that knew they were praying for them (supposedly a placebo, because they thought they needed to be prayed for). Basically, shows NO divine intervention, meaning praying is pointless. Throwing out more testimonial crud? C'mon, even you should see why that's pointless. =/ Sorry, it should have been "Yes", "No", "Wait a little bit". And that doesn't change the fact that I can pray to a potato chip and get the same results. WOAH. Cancer isn't terminal. Even "terminal cancer" isn't terminal. Cancer is irregular cell growth during meiosis when the cell splits (lol, can't remember stages right now). Obviously, your body is going to consider this a foreign cell and try to destroy it. Our bodies are incredible things, and are constantly working to rebuild themselves. Just because we don't know exactly what peoples' bodies are doing when they "miraculously" recover doesn't mean god did it. *shrug* Why would gawd make cancer? ..Or he didn't, the devil did, and gawd isn't strong enough over come it? So much for an omnipotent being.. I have dreams too! They're like fortune cookies and horoscopes. You can interpret them however you want, that doesn't mean they're from god and it doesn't mean your interpretation is right. I could interpret that as you repressing your serial killing past and wanting your god to forgive your past. Or it means you aren't done killing and can't wait for your reservoir to fill completely. (It's okay, you know, I'm right, God told me.) Why would god only show himself to a small elite via dreams? It wasn't an experiment. It's a website based off of an observation. Amputees legitimately pray for their limbs back, but gawd never supplies. What gives? Why do parents spank their kids? I wouldn't know. Maybe if you actually explain to your kid what they're doing wrong, they'll stop. The logic being "I won't lie because it makes people feel bad and shatters my good reputation with trust", rather than "I won't lie because daddy will hit me!" Doesn't matter. You mentioned Hitler, you broke Godwin's Law and consequently lose the thread. *shrug* Doubtful. My apologies for removing your color, btw. Too much effort to maintain that with all these quotes.

Oh, one more point. The laws of this country reign supreme. That's why, even in your church practices, you have to abide by US (or whatever country you're in) law. The government can't tell you how to run your church anymore than they can tell you how to run your household, but all laws need to still be followed. If you have a religious law in your church saying killing is 'aight, and you kill in your church, you're still breaking the law and will be jailed. Conversely, if your church says it's a law to wait until marriage to get laid, and some chick gets knocked up unwed, the courts are going to roll their eyes and laugh if you expect a serious punishment. ..I'm a bit confused why Native Americans get special treatment in regards to drug usage, though. =/

yuiop-Detective A - angry, insistent, by-the-book, impatient, wants answers DudleyDude-Detective Lebowski - chill, laid-back, stoned out of his or her mind, but has interesting insight Joe's Student - Reno Starkey (Dockhand) - practical, rough around the edges, just getting dough for the wife and kids back on Earth Human Servant - careful, precise, very professional and always snaps to attention of Rombridge; rises in the ranks to be personal manservant to such an important guy Glycereine-Mr McCudgeon - victorian royalty, distant cousin of the prince. A heavily bewhiskered man who's here to pretend to be nice while gleaning pieces of informational meat to use in his business of interstellar commerce (being the CEO of Star Merchants Incorporated) GMaster479 - Mrs McCudgeon - his wife; this is the person that gets drunk way before everyone else LJayden - Chief Mlaku - leader of the human tribespeople that have assimilated into the local flora and fauna of the forest planet of Shoshth; Mlaku is very strange (and it's a running joke that the gender is unknown) and talks in somewhat broken english with even stranger social customs Izzy Maw(dry) Mivvelton - renowned poet(ess) and painter. Cliche artistic bohemian to the point of being a sellout. However, his/her work is absolutely loved by Rombridge and he invites him/her to every party and event like this Abhisk - Jicochi - yep some punk kid with an astro-harpoon managed to break in with a video camera to prove his/her stunt to his/her friends back at the one of many orbital space station residence units. Except the video camera may have captured useful footage… Framm 18-Captain(ess) Fleur - the sharp-eyed captain of the LEVIATHAN, Rombridge's ship, and a renowned ex-space-stunt(wo)man. The only person here qualified for an exterior shell traversal procedure. Fleur is an extremely stubborn Baptist straight from Kentucky, drawl and all filly678 - Al the Random Person - this person had no clue what their name was until they saw it on their wallet ID along with 500 dollars in cash. They have no idea how they got here. Their name wasn't on the guest list. They've become sort of the interesting focus of the party, with all the rich patrons eager to hear & gossip about this development dawh - Hex4dash9 - special all-purpose synthetically-intelligent servant robot. TALKS IN ALL CAPS. Has to follow a certain list of rules only known to h4-9

LJayDen, if you can pull up a SINGLE source to back any of your points (empirical evidence, discovered through meticulous testing and re-evaluation, not some testimonial crap), I might believe them. Because as it stands, it's like this. God answers prayers on a "Yes", "No", or "Maybe later!" basis. You can pray ANYTHING to ANY deity (FSM, FTW), and your results will be identical. Due to an outstanding Christian population, the fact that people with cancer will pray to <deity> is inherent within their nature, the amount of people "god" cures can not be accounted for. Cancer is still relatively unexplored and many treatments are rather tentative. This means we don't know everything, and the fact that some bodies can naturally overcome cancer doesn't mean a god did it. In fact, if prayer is a panacea, why won't god heal amputees?. A declining Christian population being the cause for turmoil in this country is bull. On two reasons, one slightly spiritual (so you'll accept it haha), and one based on prison population. 1. Why would an all-loving god punish people based on the faults and failures of others? Is he really THAT insecure, that unless an entire country glorifies him at all times, he's going to besiege us with natural disasters? Wtf bro? Lawl. 2. Prison populations and the percentage of Christians! Google that shiz! Haha, also, rampages and stuff? Seriously? Name one war fought in the name of atheism? ..Or Buddhism! ..Or Hinduism! No. It's all you Judeo-Christian folk conquering Holy Lands and spreading your empire. God! Glory! Gold! 5th grade history ring a bell? Also, if morality came from first sin (it didn't, but whatevs) there's still no need to post religious texts all over the place because it's ingrained in us all. YOU can enjoy YOUR life with gawd in it, but the second YOU force YOUR god into MY life, boundaries are broken. Capiche?

Go have a peek in the Others forum.

"Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun." - HHGTTG

Ljayden, this is something I wrote for our history discussion board subsequent to a Socratic seminar my class was having with insufficient time to finish. It relates, and dawh has been doing a wonderful job of explaining the unfairness to you, but I hope reading this will change your opinion somewhat. -------- This is a reply to the second part of Alyssa's post, which I'm going to quote and then respond to. This isn't a personal attack and I, generally, am in no way antagonistic towards religions or their followers. This is simply a rationalization of the conjecture that religion is inherent and essential to a moral and well-functioning government. "In the second seminar, the topic of religion was discussed heavily. I don’t remember if it was said on here, or during the actual seminar, or both for that matter, but someone said that religion should not be put into a government, and I have to disagree, though it is a valid idea. Without some type of religious values put into a government’s laws, the government cannot have a proper structure. All moral values are based on some belief, which usually is based on a religion, or lack thereof, and a government has to have some type of moral values, even in effective governments. We might not think that killing someone is always on a moral stand point based on a legal stand point, but the practice of not killing people, is based on a religious belief that we should not kill people." Okay, so the assumptions here (which shall be debunked in a structural and inoffensive manner) . 1. Morals are based off of beliefs, specifically religions. 2. The government cannot function without religious input. 3. Our government will lack structure if our religions are nonexistent. 4. Not killing people is purely a religious concept. 1. Let's start with defining morality. We're going to keep it simple and say that it's just the principle of beliefs concerning the distinction between good and bad (right and wrong) behavior. We'll define good as things that help people and bad as things that hurt people, helping and hurting both physical and emotional concepts. There are different degrees of good and bad, as we got into in the Socratic Seminar, so I'll just assume everyone knows that almost everything is circumstantial as we've already spent a great deal of time discussing that. A belief is the acceptance of a statement, regardless of whether it's true or not. Beliefs don't require evidence, hence the term 'belief'. Religions are beliefs, nothing more. Now, yes, religious texts include morals, but that doesn't mean morality was established from them. At some point, humans started developing a sense of right and wrong. I'm going to use the Bible as an example because that's what I'm somewhat familiar with. According to the Bible, all the moral stuff (Ten Commandments, etc.) in the Bible are there because of God's divine inspiration, and were NOT the ideals of man. (The same Bible that advocates stoning homosexuals, but that's another story entirely.) So, supposedly, we were all savages going around eating and killing each other until God sent himself, as his Son, named Jesus, whose also the father, so technically named Yahweh, but also some spirit thing (you with me? good ) to show us the way. Because all of these morals were purely God's concepts, according to the book that tells us he exists, we couldn't have known about them before he enlightened us. Well.. history tells us otherwise. I forgot my book in my locker (>_>), so the info might be a *little* off.. but.. Uhh.. So, that thing about the nomadic people and how they evolved into the homo something, and eventually the homo erectus and stuff. Well, think about it. We started off as primitive tribes, and eventually evolved into ourselves today, a time span of over 3 million years. Now, BC = Before Christ, so all events that happened before a literal 2009 years ago involving humans would have to exclude any sort of a moral basis. We ALREADY know this to be untrue, because even before that, as our book tells us, social interactions among the early humans existed, where people who killed, stole, etc. were shunned from the tribe and left to die. I don't know exactly how it happened, but I can understand why. Way back when, helping each other was essential to one's own survival. There's no way you can hunt and raise a family by yourself, among other things, so people depended on each other. With this dependence came a sort of respect for one another, which led to rules that would keep people at peace with each other. Like, if you don't steal, you won't upset anybody, which is good for your own survival. What I'm trying to say is that morals are Darwinian instincts. Because our religious texts include them doesn't mean that's where they came from, and that doesn't mean that's why people follow them. Hell, there are many morals of religion which religious people neglect, so obviously there is another standard by which people choose their morals. Morality wouldn't disappear if religions did. Which is why, Ljayden, posting the ten commandments all over the place is pointless. People are already aware of them and already follow them to a degree. You're free to post them, of course. Are you familiar with the Atheist Bus Campaign? But when it comes to governmental places, religious entities can be deemed offensive. How would you feel if Obama was a Satanist and had a huge devil statue in the courthouse of the White House? Not happy, I assume. 2/3. The country was founded on a separation of church and state. Current theocracies lack structure notably more than countries with the church/state distinction. The Middle East, where the religion is the law, is a good example of this. What religious input does our government have that is actually religious? I've already, somewhat, proven that morality has nothing to do with religions, so the only other real effect they can have on people is how they spend their free time. There's absolutely no reason a government should instill a certain religion on to you, tell you when to pray, or any of that. None. It's not appropriate, it violates our constitutional rights, and it's just uncool. Do you want someone to tell you when to pray? No. Do you want someone to tell you who to marry? No. (Though most people think it's perfectly fine the government can tell you who NOT to marry, which isn't cool either. Marriage existed within tribes as a sign of partnership before religions did. ) 4. Not killing people is an evolutionary trait of altruistic behavior, something ingrained in all of us to up our chances of reproductive success.

No dude, straight from the Constitution, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." It doesn't matter where the actual phrase "Separation of Church and State" (I prefer the ) was derived because that's the expression used to abridge that statement. This means that, so long as we're in a democracy, keep your religion private and out of the government. Yes, this is freedom of religion in the sense that you cannot manhandle your religion down the throats of American citizens by making the Ten Commandments law based merely on the fact that they've come down from some "divine ruler". ("Not killing" is a bit different, because while it is also in the commandments, killing violates your inherent right to live, which is protected under the constitution.)

Best. Thread. Ever. Glenn Beck would get off to this material. The batsh*t craziness of Fox News accounted for in one meager thread. I hearts it. Though, it seems our resident trolls have disbanded. =/

*This thread makes me want to vomit* Jacob, have you had even basic high school biology? Your blatant racism is repulsive and shows you have not even the slightest idea of what evolution is. The Mexican (and in a sense Canadian) migration can be attributed to, idk, the fact that they're right over the border? Many Americans are fleeing to Canada in search of better health care and cheaper medicine. Actually. I'm quitting. This isn't worth my time. I forgot morons like you two exist.

:0 Yo. Bro. No. I hope you go to jail for being a domestic terrorist and take it in the arse. There's no such thing as a right to not be offended, you'd know that if you read the constitution you so adamantly oppose. The only joke here is you.

Lmfao, so much win. ...Since it's out patriotic duty to defend the constitution, can we just get this dude written off as a domestic terrorist?

Wow. Are you a troll? Cocky and arrogant much? You get a feeling of deep pleasure and satisfaction from.. a random chance of birth you had NO control over? Why are you proud of your country? Based on the fact that they're "liberating" countries that want nothing to do with you? You do realize on an international level, America is a JOKE. For one of the wealthiest countries, you have one of the WORST health care systems. 1% of your country contains 90% of the wealth. This is hardly democracy. You've managed to elect an idiot like Dubya Bush, TWICE. Companies give an average of ten days vacation to their employees and this includes sick days. How the hell will people relax? You refuse to change, and "go green" a lot slower than the rest of the world. And the biggest problem? Idiots like YOU miss what America is about in the first place. It's about FREEDOM. Hunting atheists? Getting the liberals? Are you fecking 12 or just some moron watching way too much Fox news? Jesus Christ dude. Chill out. FREEDOM means those wars you're fighting are to protect ATHEISTS, LIBERALS, and other people that have different ideals than you. If you disagree with this, GTFO, because you aren't representing American epitomes, you're some right-winged batcrap crazy conservative unwilling to change because... you're basing your "traditional" and "correct" values off of.. what? The Bible? Oh please. Separation of Church and State, brah. This forum will eat up a person like you. Go stone a homosexual. *edit* Oh, Patriotism. All that gets you is some over zealous morons using their love for the country to justify whatever they want. No. Bad. We have laws because they need to be adhered to to keep order and peace.

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JarZe! Haha, that was amazing. >_>

Lol, slick, what? *facepalm*

Yeah, okay slick.

Okay. =/ Let's hope this works. 1. Izzy is voting for for golfjunkie 2. Peace 3. DudleyDude - busted by the Cops 4. Harvey 5. GC - killed by the Kappas 6. yuiop 7. golfjunkie 8. filly678 9. Music - busted by the Cops 10. Blablah - trapped so no posting 11. Glycereine - lynched and found to be a Delta Brother 12. 24_65.... - lynched and found to be a Sigma Nu Brohter 13. Abhisk - busted by the Cops 14. JarZe - voting for golfjunkie