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  1. unreality

    hehe ;D who doesn't love Phoenixes? See my avatar
  2. Yes, a technicality ;D What do you guys think about Richard Dawkins? He makes a lot of good points, covers a lot of typical unfounded, unresearched theist attacks on evolution, as well as does a really good job of showing why a god of any kind is extremely unlikely to exist... however his style seems almost insulting toward theists, and I think that they can turn people away, and when they see the name "Richard Dawkins" they immediately turn away and not listen to the excellent points, just cuz it's Dawkins
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    Looks like I'm going to hell then, aww, shucks ;D ~~~ NM_EJL, if you're going to attack evolution without any scientific proof, I'll have to respond Good for you. Even if the truth is depressing, I'd rather have the truth. Though theists can never grasp the true purpose about having no purpose. It means there is infinite purpose. It's like the saying how if 'nobody is special then everybody is special' or vice versa. The beauty is that life has absolutely no meaning - do you know how liberating that is? You're free to do whatever the hell you want, and take advantage of what you are to enjoy life. You said that's very depressing, but you're wrong. I'm an extremely happy, fun-loving person Ummm... it does, better than a god. If there is a god, where did they get THEIR ideals from? If they made everything, EVERYTHING, from where did their own morality rules come from? Anyway, you said evolution can't explain love, beauty, right and wrong, etc? That's utterly false. All of those things are either direct results of evolution or byproducts or misfirings or something similar. Mostly related to mating and social preservation, but I don't feel like getting into each concept and explaining it for you. I could if you really need me to, but hopefully you can take my word for it. All emotions, sensations, etc, we have is because that's the way we've evolved this is called the Argument from Beauty, and if you're going to try and use logic to promote the existence of a higher power, you have to be prepared to be shot down if your logic is totally messed up http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/godother.html http://heroesheretics.wordpress.com/2008/0...nt-from-beauty/ Though those don't make the point I would like to, which is that in The God Delusion there is an excellent explanation for beauty as well, though I forget exactly what it is You can't make attacks on evolution, claiming that it doesn't answer something, when you don't know if it does or not. It does. Very well. It fits all the facts check this out Yes, humans are different. We are smarter, more evolved. Despite the fact that there other intelligent species that are catching up to us, they are still far far behind in terms of our brains. As for the cultural need for religion: (1) That's not globally true. But say it is: (2) Most of it stems from a leader's or group of leaders' need to control the population. But say it isn't: (3) As explained in The God Delusion, as well as in other books and whatnot, this is a common logical fallacy. The need for a higher power and the way that religion easily spreads is a misfiring based on parental structures and listening avidly to your 'tribal elders'. The need for mysticism by itself is based on the fact that we have the desire to know as much as possible about things that mean something to our survival - such as the world. But in ancient times, we knew so little about the world around us, ie, before the dawn of modern science or even discoveries of any kind. The need to "fill in the gaps" was common across the world - the need to invent myths to explain phenomena was widespread, and those myths have evolved over time into many of today's modern religions. **** Please note that this is not a debate. However you made a few unsolicited attacks against evolution and atheist ideals and standpoints, so I had no option but to respond. In my responses I was careful to not provoke or leave anything hanging that could further the debate - this post was purely to answer your provocations and 'disses' on atheism, so please don't respond to my points, or it will become a debate.
  4. unreality

    Michael Scofield. Prison Break. For those that know what I'm talking about, that's the best tattoo in existence Hehe, other than that, to each his own, though I'm not a big fan of tattoos in general
  5. unreality

    Hmm. So the Buddhists are wrong?
  6. dawh: good job with 2b Though I assure you, there is a way they could pull off a win in 1 - at a certain point they have to make a pact of sorts, and 2a is possible, though I think (IIRC) chances are part of it, and it's harder
  7. unreality

    see posts 20 and 21
  8. Oh I know - I was talking to Blade, not you. Sorry for the misunderstanding
  9. unreality

    That's disrespecting. Islam has a lot more credit than just blowing people up, you know. It has a bad rep here in the States. edit: bringing my post #20 to this page: I probably would've picked Buddhism I'm curious about people (such as PG)'s tolerance of other religions. Do you think Allah is another 'interpretation' of your own god? What about Buddha? How do you know your god isn't actually Buddha? etc
  10. unreality

    I probably would've picked Buddhism I'm curious about people (such as PG)'s tolerance of other religions. Do you think Allah is another 'interpretation' of your own god? What about Buddha? How do you know your god isn't actually Buddha? etc
  11. The next thing I was thinking about was this: Positives and Negatives of religion. What do you guys think?
  12. You've done nothing but spam this thread
  13. unreality

    Not to make this a debate, but: He was probably looking at something called the Illusion of Design. It looks designed cuz it was designed by natural processes. Quite a few, actually. Ever hear of guys like... Einstein? He was that guy with the crazy hair. Oh and Stephen Hawking. Made a coupla theories, nothing big
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    I think it's a self-evident point. Most religions claim that they are somehow different and above the other world religions. I'm not sure how they justify that in their minds, since it probably (usually) has to do with what they were born into lol About goodness, of course. Religion really has no connection with morals, despite what some religious people may think. Religion and Moral systems are very separate things. Everyone is guided by the morals that have evolved to be acceptable in their society
  15. alright, after a few more changes to wording and some stuff, here is the most recent, most up-to-date, plan for Mafia VII: Mafia VII Takes place in a remote mountain village... Factions: * Independent (3) * Mafia (5) * Townsfolk (10) Independent: * Alpha Werewolf - [knows who Slayer is] bites one person each night to "infect" them with lycanthropy. The new Werewolf can almost always still use their Townsfolk role ability, but is now sided with the Alpha Werewolf, and all Werewolves have BTSC. The Alpha Werewolf can only bite and infect Townsfolk, so if he/she picks a non-Townsfolk role (Mafia, Cypher, Mercenary), he/she is informed and can attempt to bite someone else (all the AW is told is that the person is not a Townsfolk). If the Alpha Werewolf is lynched, all living Werewolves die too, but if the Alpha Werewolf dies at night, a new Werewolf is picked randomly to become the Alpha Werewolf. The Werewolves win when 4 or more Werewolves are alive, including the Alpha Werewolf * Cypher - [knows who CA is] the Cypher is a serial killer who leaves a mathematical code to his/her next victim. The Cypher chooses his/her kill each night for the following night, so on the first night there is no kill, but there is still a code for the 2nd night victim. And on the 2nd night, the Cypher picks the victim for the 3rd night, etc. The code is uniform throughout. The Cypher is invincible to werewolf bites as well as normal death, the only way they can die (at first) is being caught by the Cryptanylist. The Cryptanylist, or CA, is a Townsfolk-sided code-breaker who picks one person each night (except the 1st) whom they think is the Cypher's victim for that night. If the CA is correct, the Cypher is caught and killed. If the CA dies, the Cypher becomes vulnerable to normal death, but still cannot be bitten by the Alpha Werewolf. The Cypher wins if he/she is still alive and killing when another faction wins, ie, they win together * Mercenary - the Mercenary has been hired to take out a specific person with a lynching. The person, or 'target', is random from the list of all Townsfolk roles. The Mercenary knows the role of the target, and also knows when his/her target has been bitten, if at all. If the Mercenary's target is killed by the Mafia, the Mercenary joins the Mafia, and if the Mercenary's target is killed by the Vigilante, Slayer, or Firework Maker, the Mercenary joins the Townsfolk... ie, the Mercenary can be "bought" by killing their target for them. If the Cypher kills the target, the Mercenary can choose to work for the Mafia OR the Townsfolk OR to be assigned a new lynch target Mafia: * Don - the leader of the Mafia group. If checked by the Spy, is seen as a random non-Werewolf Townsfolk role from the 9 non-Spy roles * Consigliere - the personal adviser to the Don. Picks one person each night and collects data on them via contacts, learning their role (including if they are a Werewolf or not). If the Don dies, the Consigliere takes over as head of the Mafia, having both the Don's ability and the Consigliere's original ability * Hitman - one of the most skilled hitmen in the Mafia's arsenal. Kills anyone that visits him/her at night (Spy, Medic, Herbalist, Slayer, Mountaineer, but NOT CA or Tourist) or, in the case of the Vigilante, there is a 50-50 chance who wins the fight (Hitman or Vigilante). If Cypher visits the Hitman while the CA is still alive (and the Cypher is thus invincible), the Hitman is killed. However, if the CA is dead and the Cypher goes after the Hitman, the Hitman kills the Cypher * Bankroller - controls the Mafia's finances as well as its legitimate businesses. Everyone knows who the Bankroller is from the getgo, and thus the Bankroller is sort of the spokesperson for the Mafia, but if the Bankroller is lynched, he/she can pick anyone to kill in the lynching if the Hitman is still alive. If the Vigilante attacks the Bankroller, there is a 3/8 chance they accidentally go after the Hitman instead, if the Hitman is still alive * Framer - can frame someone each day. If the Spy picks that person the following night (or picks the Framer), the Spy is told 'Framer'. Nobody is informed if/when a framing takes place or who was framed Townsfolk: * Spy - spies on one person each night and gets their exact role (except in the special case of the Don), including Werewolf role if they've been bitten * Medic - an unofficial doctor who prowls around the village at night. The Medic can save two people each night (from death only, not from werewolf bites), with no restrictions on who EXCEPT for the fact that the Spy is too elusive to protect while snooping someone. If the Spy decides not to spy on someone, they are savable by the Medic * Herbalist - can cure lyncanthropy, but only if done within minutes of the bite, and thus each night the Herbalist can pick one person to save from the Alpha Werewolf's bite * Slayer - picks one person each night except the first night. If the person is a Werewolf, they are slain. The Slayer cannot be bitten by the Alpha Werewolf * Vigilante - kills one person each night except the first night * Firework Maker - lives in a house full of explosives and gunpowder. If a killing role or Alpha Werewolf visit, they see the explosive house and are PMed by me. After that, they may retreat OR keep going, but if they persist, there is a 1/2 chance of the attacker being blown up with the Firework Maker. If the attacker was the Mafia, the Hitman will be killed. If Hitman is already dead, a random living Mafioso is picked instead. If there is no explosion, the Firework Maker is killed or bitten as normal, but if there is an explosion (1/2 chance), there is a 1/3 chance the Firework Maker will survive. During the day, at any time, and every day, the Firework Maker picks someone. If that person is the Framer, the Framer's frame is not successful, and both the Spy and the Mafia are notified of this (but not the Firework Maker). The Firework Maker can pick the same person two days in a row if he/she wishes * Mayor - the acting Mayor of the small village has a few privileges. First, his/her vote secretly counts as 2, and secondly, if the Mayor is lynched, his/her role is revealed but he/she does not die * Tourist - here for the getaway and nice views when the troubles began, and just wants to get back home. Unfortunately, they're stranded here and must help the Townsfolk. At any time the Tourist may PM me and take on a Townsfolk role, one that he/she KNOWS is dead - not just a guess. They have to prove it in the PM, unless the Townsfolk person was lynched and their role revealed, which is all the proof you need. If the Tourist is checked by any discovery role, or is lynched, the only info given is always "Tourist", not whether the Tourist has taken on any role or what that role is. Also, the Tourist has another power which he/she can use ONCE EVER, at any time during the day, and the change takes affect right after the day post: a Switch. The Tourist can pick two living people and ONLY if they are both Townsfolk, the two people get their roles switched. Otherwise it fails. Nobody, including the Tourist, is informed if the switch fails. If the switch succeeds, the Tourist isn't informed, and each switchee just gets told their new role, not who has their previous role * Mountaineer - [knows who Medic is] the Mountaineer likes to go on late-night hiking trips, and can pick one person to take with him/her. The picked person is immune from being killed or bitten, but they cannot perform any night action. The Spy can still spy on them, and if both the Mountaineer and the Spy pick the Don on the same night, the Don's true identity is revealed to the Spy. If the Mountaineer picked the last Mafioso, there is no Mafia kill. If the Mountaineer picked the Alpha Werewolf, the Alpha Werewolf bites the Mountaineer as its bite for that night. Once the Mountaineer has taken someone on a climb, they cannot do it with that same person again * Cryptanylist - the Cryptanylist, or CA, is an expert code-breaker whose goal is to crack the Cypher's code and figure out the serial killer's next victim. Each night, except the first, the CA picks someone who they think will be the Cypher's victim. The CA must give me some logical reasoning to prove it's not just a random guess, and if they are correct, the Cypher is caught and killed. The Cryptanylist can choose themselves There are names for when a Townsfolk gets bitten and turns into a Werewolf: * the Spy becomes the Prowler [can still use Spy ability] * the Medic becomes the Guard Dog [can still use Medic's ability] * the Herbalist becomes the Stray [new ability: votes count secretly x2] * the Vigilante becomes the Rabid Attacker [can still kill] * the Firework Maker becomes the Firework Wolf [keeps abilities] * the Mayor becomes the Prime [keeps abilities] * the Tourist becomes the Retriever [only keeps Mercenary-check ability] * the Mountaineer becomes the Kidnapper [keeps ability] * the Cryptanylist becomes the Bloodhound [keeps ability] * Game Rules * > Nights are a MAXIMUM of 18 hours, though if I get all the PMs, the night post may come earlier, it could also come later depending on my schedule (in which case I would allow late night-PMs, but don't gamble on it) > Days end when a certain person gets a certain amount of votes. This is acknowledged by all and no more voting can take place after this, and you cannot change your vote. If n is the number of living players, the number of votes required depends on n. If n is 10 or higher, the number of votes required is n-4. If there is 3 people left, 2 votes are required. 4 or 5 people: 3 votes required. If there are 6 people, 4 votes are the execution. 7 and 8 require 5 votes, and 9 requires 6. After that it's n-4 > If someone isn't participating, I will give them a warning. I reserve the right to give out warnings at any time. The third warning means you will be bumped for inactivity, and hopefully somebody can replace you. If not, sayonara ;D > When you die, you have one 'ghost-post' in gray to make, but it CANNOT reveal any information or hint at anything or relate to the game, it must be entirely off-topic > Nonsense posters will be warned and then punished Don't spam the thread > Rules are rules, so don't complain. Also keep in mind that Mafia is a game of elimination, and dying is part of it > The roles will be determined completely randomly, so don't bias > There will be no hints or extra clues other than the information given > Have fun
  16. School, clubs, sports teams, workplace, closeknit group of friends, etc
  17. unreality

    Oh, to add onto my earlier thread of thought: The places where fact/science start to collide with religious beliefs is stories in a holy book. Ie, for Christians, Bible stories. Global floods, giants, angels, demigods, etc. That kind of thing. But if you can pass off the stories in the Bible as just that (stories) you're all set And the places where logic and religion collide is when theists try to come up with arguments for Gods'/God's existence in the philosophical-type world, such as how the universe is too complex and requires a designer (and thus ignore logic, which would say that the designer is too complex as well and requires a designer). So they do start to conflict in certain areas
  18. I've made a lot of changes to the Tourist role, completely scrapping its previous ability and making a new one, based off of the Noob from my BD-themed Mafia and added a switching ability: * Tourist - here for the getaway and nice views when the troubles began, and just wants to get back home. Unfortunately, they're stranded here and must help the Townsfolk. At any time the Tourist may PM me and take on a Townsfolk role, one that he/she KNOWS is dead - not just a guess. They have to prove it in the PM, unless the Townsfolk person was lynched and their role revealed, which is all the proof you need. If the Tourist is checked by any discovery role, or is lynched, the only info given is always "Tourist", not whether the Tourist has taken on any role or what that role is. Also, the Tourist has another power which he/she can use ONCE EVER, at any time during the day, and the change takes affect right after the day post: a Switch. The Tourist can pick two living people and ONLY if they are both Townsfolk, the two people get their roles switched. Otherwise it fails. Nobody, including the Tourist, is informed if the switch fails. If the switch succeeds, the Tourist isn't informed, and each switchee just gets told their new role, not who has their previous role
  19. unreality

    Okay, I'm not a theist, but you didn't outlaw atheists, so I'd like to pitch in I agree! So many people think that science and religion, or logic and religion, etc, are opposites or something. To put it bluntly, science doesn't care about religion. You could believe in any god you want, or no god, and the science would be the same. They're not on the same level to be equals or opposite... religion is about people's faith, science and logic and math and philosophy even are about the real world. Although it's rare, a few famous scientists have been religious
  20. I disagree - I know the importance of not having a cult church, and I rarely go to any type of church ;D The 'community feeling' that is often associated with being a member of a church is certainly not limited to churches... not by far. It's an umbrella feeling which can really be felt in all kinds of situations... You don't need to be part of a church to 'belong' somewhere, that's rediculous
  21. unreality

    Impervious: do I detect another Brainden atheist? Or at least non-Christian? woot! Hehe Yeah, debates are good ;D
  22. unreality

    I thought you must've put in a Zero (0) instead of an O (O), but w/e
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