[akaslickster]

Hi everyone! I am akaslickster, in case you are a noob.

Lemonymelon and Drydung and I decided to begin this club so at the moment it is at its beginning

stages. For now, there are no questions that can be answered, because we just started it up.

Our membership is free and starts with the following:

drydung

lemonymelon

akaslickster

yellowsubmarine

greycells

Add yourself to the list if you really hate war and want world peace. Later on there should be more info. on the topic.

[akaslickster]

i want to join or am i too late?

Updated membership sign up:

Drydung, Lemonymelon, Akaslickster, Yellowsubmarine, Greycells, Unreality, LIS, Crazypainter, F_I_F, Twoaday, Bobbob, Nayana, Pw0nzd, Tolecnal, Frost, ROF, Lenochka, Mekal, Kat, Squirt, Ploper, Dusty, Dnae, Ben Law, Rene83, Yoktado, Rockstar, Firebirdaz, Ravi, Phaze, Pacman Rules, Solemnraven, Peace*out, Cryptic chic, New guest, Woon, Engspangussian, Marinja, JIThu

You're never too late. Welcome to the Peace club JIThu! Any time you like you may post in the discussion thread.

We as a club are promoters and for World Peace. We want wars to stop, and for people to stop killing eachother for no good reason. Feel free to use the Discussion thread for what you may recommend.

[Guest]

Sign me up chaps. I like peace a lot though I've not had any since being a dad (peace, that is).

[Guest]

Also, war is terrible, everyone knows it (hopefully) yet sometimes, it's just plain unavoidable.

I'm suddenly reminded of a thread started by LIS, around when he first joined, I believe, about when it is necessary to go to war.

Okay, well, can't seem to find that thread . Either I passed it twice, or it's further back than I had imagined.

try looking going to LIS's profile and searching for his topics under "Options"

And seeing as I'm here:

Updated membership sign up:

Drydung, Lemonymelon, Akaslickster, Yellowsubmarine, Greycells, Unreality, LIS, Crazypainter, F_I_F, Twoaday, Bobbob, Nayana, Pw0nzd, Tolecnal, Frost, ROF, Lenochka, Mekal, Kat, Squirt, Ploper, Dusty, Dnae, Ben Law, Rene83, Yoktado, Rockstar, Firebirdaz, Ravi, Phaze, Pacman Rules, Solemnraven, Peace*out, Cryptic chic, New guest, Woon, Engspangussian, Marinja, JIThu, Octopuppy

[Guest]

try looking going to LIS's profile and searching for his topics under "Options"

I found it, two pages after where I initially stopped looking

but I got sidetracked and never posted it.

Oh well, I remember what I said, and mostly what I wanted Slick to look at it for was for reasons in which war might be acceptable.

[akaslickster]

I found it, two pages after where I initially stopped looking

but I got sidetracked and never posted it.

Oh well, I remember what I said, and mostly what I wanted Slick to look at it for was for reasons in which war might be acceptable.

Discussion thread please.

[Guest]

Shocking what people think these days. I did not say i promote either bad ideas or war. I am all for peace, but it is simply not possible because the world would turn into chaos.

But enough with this horrfic topic, something peaceful i presume?

[Guest]

Shocking what people think these days. I did not say i promote either bad ideas or war. I am all for peace, but it is simply not possible because the world would turn into chaos.

But enough with this horrfic topic, something peaceful i presume?

yep you have the right idea: no horrific stuff and no arguing please. *cough Ploper and others* (not menaing to be mean but akaslickster and I are getting a bit annoyed with people trying to start debates in the peace club discussion.

welcome to the den and the peace club Blade (i'm signing you up but if you didn't intend to be signed up, just say the word)

Drydung, Lemonymelon, Akaslickster, Yellowsubmarine, Greycells, Unreality, LIS, Crazypainter, F_I_F, Twoaday, Bobbob, Nayana, Pw0nzd, Tolecnal, Frost, ROF, Lenochka, Mekal, Kat, Squirt, Ploper, Dusty, Dnae, Ben Law, Rene83, Yoktado, Rockstar, Firebirdaz, Ravi, Phaze, Pacman Rules, Solemnraven, Peace*out, Cryptic chic, New guest, Woon, Engspangussian, Marinja, JIThu, Octopuppy, Blade

[Guest]

Ah, i would love to be signed up, but you have also visited my thread, the war club. Ironic isnt it?

Anyway I for one am for peace

[peace*out]

Than why the war club??

[Guest]

Just to have people's comments and opinions out there. Since i started a topic that Slick didnt like, i started my own thread, and in turn i am respecting him and his opionion about peace.

[akaslickster]

Just to have people's comments and opinions out there. Since i started a topic that Slick didnt like, i started my own thread, and in turn i am respecting him and his opionion about peace.

Good job, Blade. You understand more than the ones who continuously are struggling to argue. I would like a peaceful thread to get away from all of the bickering etc. Is it too hard to ask for peoples peaceful opinions on how to improve the world or should we let them all trash it including our families?

I ask everyone who is disagreeable with world peace, who is reading this, to argue in Blade's war thread. I believe you will have a good time laughing about the boring and silliness that we call our club.

We are not lowering ourselves to the quitter level. Peace is better than no peace. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Guest]

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

You speak the truth well my friend. What shall we do now, advertise each other's thread? Saying if we dont like the way anyone is talking in our thread send them to either yours or mine?

Sounds like..... war

[akaslickster]

update:

Drydung, Lemonymelon, Akaslickster, Yellowsubmarine, Greycells, Unreality, LIS, Crazypainter, F_I_F, Twoaday, Bobbob, Nayana, Pw0nzd, Tolecnal, Frost, ROF, Lenochka, Mekal, Kat, Squirt, Ploper, Dusty, Dnae, Ben Law, Rene83, Yoktado, Rockstar, Firebirdaz, Ravi, Phaze, Pacman Rules, Solemnraven, Peace*out, Cryptic chic, New guest, Woon, Engspangussian, Marinja, JIThu, Octopuppy, Blade

I think this needs to show as a sign up thread.

Sign up of Peace Club here.

Peace Club discussion in the sister thread.

Debates and fighting in the War thread.

Simple enough to me. Can this remain respectable? We shall see.

Edited September 3, 2008 by akaslickster

[Guest]

Well, I hope you don't consider voicing my opinion as continuing the argument.

Whatever, here's what I wanted to say.

I don't care how certain or doubtful you may be about world peace. I urge anyone reading this to at least browse through the posts.

See, we're kinda going to need people who believe world peace is possible to join in on the discussion.

becuase at the moment, it's not really a discussion at all.

Like i said in the Peace Club Discussion thread. A discussion is completely pointless, unless it is being handled with people who have a different view.

So far it's just a bunch of people saying "I agree"

and that's not much of a discussion...

want me to say discussion again?

Discussion

there you go

Debates and fighting in the War thread.

Huh... oddly enough, I've found none of that.

EDIT: I neglected to mention that everything I was saying was in relation to the War Club Sign Up thread.

sorry

Edited September 3, 2008 by Ploper

[akaslickster]

Wrong thread again.

[Guest]

Wrong thread again.

Well, seeing as you ignore every single one of my posts on the discussion thread, and more people seem to be viewing this anyways, figured I'd post it here.

My last post here, as well

[akaslickster]

update:

Drydung, Lemonymelon, Akaslickster, Yellowsubmarine, Greycells, Unreality, LIS, Crazypainter, F_I_F, Twoaday, Bobbob, Nayana, Pw0nzd, Tolecnal, Frost, ROF, Lenochka, Mekal, Kat, Squirt, Ploper, Dusty, Dnae, Ben Law, Rene83, Yoktado, Rockstar, Firebirdaz, Ravi, Phaze, Pacman Rules, Solemnraven, Peace*out, Cryptic chic, New guest, Woon, Engspangussian, Marinja, JIThu, Octopuppy, Blade

If I can't say something nice and peaceful, I will say nothing at all. Let that proove what peace is all about.

EDIT spelled prove incorrectly. ????

Edited September 4, 2008 by akaslickster

[Guest]

update:

Drydung, Lemonymelon, Akaslickster, Yellowsubmarine, Greycells, Unreality, LIS, Crazypainter, F_I_F, Twoaday, Bobbob, Nayana, Pw0nzd, Tolecnal, Frost, ROF, Lenochka, Mekal, Kat, Squirt, Ploper, Dusty, Dnae, Ben Law, Rene83, Yoktado, Rockstar, Firebirdaz, Ravi, Phaze, Pacman Rules, Solemnraven, Peace*out, Cryptic chic, New guest, Woon, Engspangussian, Marinja, JIThu, Octopuppy, Blade

If I can't say something nice and peaceful, I will say nothing at all. Let that proove what peace is all about.

EDIT spelled prove incorrectly. ????

Must you always listen to your mother? There is a reason why God gave you a brain you know....

[akaslickster]

Must you always listen to your mother? There is a reason why God gave you a brain you know....

Are you here to sign up again? Discussion is down below this thread.

[Guest]

Updated member list:

Drydung, Lemonymelon, Akaslickster, Yellowsubmarine, Greycells, Unreality, Crazypainter, F_I_F, Twoaday, Bobbob, Nayana, Pw0nzd, Tolecnal, Frost, ROF, Lenochka, Mekal, Kat, Squirt, Dusty, Dnae, Ben Law, Rene83, Yoktado, Rockstar, Firebirdaz, Ravi, Phaze, Pacman Rules, Solemnraven, Peace*out, Cryptic chic, New guest, Woon, Engspangussian, Marinja, JIThu, Octopuppy, Blade

[Guest]

Updated member list:

Drydung, Lemonymelon, Akaslickster, Yellowsubmarine, Greycells, Unreality, Crazypainter, F_I_F, Twoaday, Bobbob, Nayana, Pw0nzd, Tolecnal, Frost, ROF, Lenochka, Mekal, Kat, Squirt, Dusty, Dnae, Ben Law, Rene83, Yoktado, Rockstar, Firebirdaz, Ravi, Phaze, Pacman Rules, Solemnraven, Peace*out, Cryptic chic, New guest, Woon, Engspangussian, Marinja, JIThu, Octopuppy, Blade

We should go to war with the "pro war thread" :jokes:

edit:spelling

Edited September 6, 2008 by taliesin

[akaslickster]

We should go to war with the "pro war thread" :jokes:

edit:spelling

I think it is time to concentrate on correcting the nonsense and make a nice thread instead of the junk that I have seen lately.

[akaslickster]

Enough of the same old nothingness. Let us see something fantastic now that the club is asleep.

[Guest]

Ummmmmm... hey here is a great idea! How bout come to my thread if this thread is so boring!!!! It is much more intresting and stress releaving, of course it's a peaceful way to settle matters in which people dont share your views. So it's killing 2 birds with one stone!!!!

[Guest]

Well guys, it's been a while. I decided to drop by and see how my fellow BDenizens were faring, and stumbled on this thread. I see that the only requirement for joining is that "you really hate war and want world peace." Since that's a statement I wholeheartedly endorse, I would like to join.

That makes the updated member list as follows:

Drydung, Lemonymelon, Akaslickster, Yellowsubmarine, Greycells, Unreality, Crazypainter, F_I_F, Twoaday, Bobbob, Nayana, Pw0nzd, Tolecnal, Frost, ROF, Lenochka, Mekal, Kat, Squirt, Dusty, Dnae, Ben Law, Rene83, Yoktado, Rockstar, Firebirdaz, Ravi, Phaze, Pacman Rules, Solemnraven, Peace*out, Cryptic chic, New guest, Woon, Engspangussian, Marinja, JIThu, Octopuppy, Blade, Duh Puck

However, I know I have a different perspective on this topic than others. In previous threads I've expressed my opinion that peace will not be achieved simply through collaborative goodwill. I believe the corrupting factors that have plagued human society throughout history are deeply ingrained and will not be erased by education. That I believe peace will be achieved through God's intervention is probably not relevant to the intent of this thread, so I won't be promoting my religious views.

Nevertheless, I do have a few observations on the topic of religion and peace.

First of all, I completely agree that religion as a whole is complicit in the lack of peace. As has already been mentioned, many conflicts have started as a direct result of religious differences. Others may have centered around economic or territorial concerns, yet religions clearly lined up on opposing sides. And in practically every conflict, regardless of the cause, the religious powers who position themselves as beacons of moral guidance are found promoting whatever side their parishioners favor, thus fomenting the hatred. When the clergy tell the people to pray for the troops, what are they really saying? They're instructing them to ask God to bless slaughter. Mark Twain wonderfully highlighted this hypocrisy in a short piece called The War Prayer.

Religion is obviously not the sole cause of divisiveness among humans. Skin color, national membership, language, tribal membership, political ideology, and pretty much any characteristic that can be used to categorize people have been used as a basis for fighting. What makes religion particularly culpable, however, is that it claims to represent a guiding system of belief encompassing moral standards. In other words, religion claims to teach right and wrong, so when a priest says to kill, followers act because they believe it is the "right" thing to do. When these actions clearly contradict our objective sense of moral rightness, we understandably become disgusted with the hypocrisy, and the desire to do away with the corrupt organized structures of religion achieves broad appeal (although most are still accepting of individual religious belief, practiced peaceably).

Does that mean, however, that the very concept of religion is to blame for this state of affairs? If you are a staunch atheist, you might conclude that all religion is essentially a lie, and that it will therefore never serve a positive purpose. Others will admit that the core teachings of most religions are admirable (be kind, don't steal or kill, display modesty, etc.), but recognize that such ideology often has little force in people's lives. On the other hand, it's an obvious truth that if everyone on the planet were to personally follow the teachings of Jesus, there wouldn't be war, so if the religions which claim to follow Jesus are responsible for war, where is the fault?

Earlier, Unreality said that religions like Islam and Christianity "claim to be based on peace, but one look at their holy books and it's really not." I can't speak for the Qur'an, but I am familiar with the Bible, and I'd have to say there's a problem with that generalization. I assume that what he means is that the Bible clearly depicts God backing the Israelites in war, even giving commands to kill the women and children in a few cases. Such actions were described as executions of God's judgments on the wicked people of the surrounding nations, but many people see in such stories the same hypocritical exploitation of religious fervor as I mentioned earlier.

I'm not going to try to defend that here, but I will note that "Christianity" is based on the teachings of Jesus. The writings in the New Testament, regardless of whether you believe them to be true or not, clearly say that the nation of Israel was rejected and a new, spiritual nation would be chosen from all peoples of the earth, and that these followers of the new teaching of Jesus would be peaceful, would be "no part of the world", and would follow the command to "love your enemy." Therefore, to claim that Christianity is not based on peace because there is God-ordained war in the Bible is a mischaracterization of Christianity. The responsibility for the bloodshed of so-called Christianity lies, not with the "holy book", but with the corrupt organizations that abused it.

Personally, I have seen how my chosen religion has indeed been a unifying force for peace. For the past century, Jehovah's Witnesses have established an international brotherhood which unites across racial and national boundaries. Because war is entirely in opposition to Christ's teachings, this has resulted in tremendous persecution. During WWII, JW's were persecuted in the U.S. for being Nazi-sympathizers because they wouldn't fight, while at the same time tens of thousands of them were being imprisoned in Nazi camps because they wouldn't "Heil Hitler". All they had to do to avoid this was sign a piece of paper. According to

Wikipedia:

Refusing to pledge allegiance to the Nazi party or to serve in the military, roughly 12,000 Jehovah's Witnesses were forced to wear a purple triangle and placed in camps, where they were given the option of renouncing their faith and submitting to the state's authority. Between 2,500 and 5,000 were killed.[35] Historian Detlef Garbe, director at the Neuengamme (Hamburg) Memorial, writes that "no other religious movement resisted the pressure to conform to National Socialism with comparable unanimity and steadfastness."

Similar things have happened repeatedly in other places, including Russia, Rwanda (JW Hutus protected Tutsis, and vice versa), and where I currently live, in South Korea, where every young JW male goes to prison for a couple years because he won't join the military.

I have personally traveled to many countries and have witnessed firsthand the international unity of this religious organization. They are true promoters of peace. So when you claim that "religion" is responsible for war, it is important to recognize that it doesn't have to be. People who are serious about promoting peace should be willing adhere to peaceful principles even at personal cost. Such an application of genuine Christian principles has already resulted in an organization that transcends the divisive barriers.

Just as corruption, greed, pride, and hunger for power are responsible for the failings of government, these same influences are responsible for the failure of religious organizations to do what they should.

In any case, I would ask all of you who have joined the club so far: How far would you personally be willing to go to promote peace? How serious are you?