bonanova Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Find the real numbers a and b for which a < q < b if and only if x 3 + 1/x 3 = q is not satisfied for any real x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 k-man Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 a=-2; b=2 f(x) = x3+1/x3 is undefined for x=0 and has a limit of infinity for all positive x and negative infinity for all negative x. f(x) also has a limit of infinity as x approaches 0 from positive side and negative infinity for negative side. This means that f(x) must have a local minimum for some positive value of x and a local maximum for some negative x. Taking a derivative and assigning it to 0 will find these extremums. f'(x) = 3x2-3/x4 Solving 3x2-3/x4=0 results in x6=1, which has 2 solutions x=-1 and x=1. Plugging these values of x into f(x) we get the minimum of -2 and the maximum of 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 bonanova Posted December 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Do the extrema relate to the OP conditions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 plasmid Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 I think I'm mis-translating from Math to English. In my mind, this says:Find a and b such that there is no real x for whicha < q < b if and only if q = x3 + 1/x3, for all values of qBut the thing on the left of the "if and only if" is true for an open range of values of q while the thing on the right of the "if and only if" is true for exactly one value of q (except when x=0). So the "if and only if" can never be satisfied.Do you have a different interpretation of the OP in mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 bonanova Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Find the real numbers a and b for which, when (and only when) a < q < b, x3 + 1/x3 = q does not hold for any real value of x (has no real solutions in x.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DejMar Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 x3 + 1/x3 = q multiplying both sides by x^3, and restating x6 - qx3 + 1 = 0 let a = x3, then a2 - qa + 1 = 0 using the quadratic formula, we find the discriminant as (q2 - 4) The discriminant shows a,i.e., x3, is complex and not real if q2 < 4, i.e., -2 < q < 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 k-man Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Do the extrema relate to the OP conditions? The way I interpret the OP and your later clarification, they do. x3 + 1/x3 = q has no real solution for x when -2 < q < 2. For example, x3 + 1/x3 = 1 has no real solutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 plasmid Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Nevermind, misread Edited December 11, 2014 by plasmid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DejMar Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Multiplying both sides of the equation, x3 + 1/x3 = q, by x3, and rearranging the equation in standard polynomial form, results in a sextic (aka hexic) polynomial: x6 - qx3 + 1 = 0 The sextic polynomial has six roots, some of which may be multiple roots and degenerate roots. As the polynomial is with even degree, it has both a global maximum and global minimum in addition to local maximum(s) and local minimum(s). By substituting a = x3, the discrimanant of the quadratic equation for the roots of a can be used to denote the inflection points of the polynomial. (One may also find these inflection points by taking the derivative of the function). These occur at -2 and 2. If x = 0, we see the equation is undefined (1 = 0). As x : x < -2 → -∞, q → -∞, as x : x > 2 → +∞, q → +∞, as x : x < -2 → 0-, q → -∞, and as x : x > 2 → 0+, q → +∞. Restated, x3 + 1/x3 = q is discontinuous where x=0 (thus, not satisfied for that real x), For a < q < b : q = 0, a = lim [x→0-] x3+1/x3 = -∞ b = lim [x→0+] x3+1/x3 = +∞ Edited December 11, 2014 by DejMar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 bonanova Posted December 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 k-man (post #2) finds the region between local extrema and states (post 7) that in that region there is no real solution. dejMar (post #6) finds the region where the discriminant is negative. Both approaches give the right answer. Post #6 is what I was looking for. But before I mark it, I'll ask for comments regarding whether post #2 an equivalent condition for real solutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Find the real numbers a and b for which
a < q < b if and only if x 3 + 1/x 3 = q
is not satisfied for any real x.
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