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Hmm ... some of what you're saying makes sense, until the last sentence! Your vote on me has no basis on anything you claim to "know". If what you claim is true, it would be in your self-interest to vote for someone else and tie it (instead of forcing this dubious argument). Also, you are basically telling us sayalzah or Lionheart is a Jedi and lynching you would reveal who you are hence who you spied. - If you are Boba Fett and you know Lionheart is a Jedi, tough-luck, you're on my lynch list and I'll take what you say with a lot of salt. - If you are the Jedi knight that knew sayalzah is a Jedi, tough-luck. You could have played this way differently, so this is probably going to be added on your list of Mafia suicides if what you say is true. Gonna stick with my vote for now. EDIT: misspelled the role
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I would go so far as to discourage him from hosting if he's unable to. Hosting = TIME. Host's time + player's time. I know excellent players who have stressful jobs and can't host to the best of their abilities most of the time because of IRL time-constraints. So they play (at least from time to time) and only host when they are sure they can do a good job.
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@Phaze - I don't buy that. Sith can hide within the Republic when voting. That's the beauty of this impromptu alliance and our protection from the RID Kill. @curr3nt - Sorry, but that is my opinion. Night 1 ended somewhat weirder, Day 1's end has passed ... there are too many questions left unanswered. No clear info from host, not even an inactiveness warning (And I don't consider staying up with a friend till 3am to be a justification for letting us talk for hours off topic before the game was redistributed). Either DL takes up a cohost, or he should not host at all. That's my opinion. And the guide that no one bothers to read this days says: EDIT: grammar
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@Marq - I'm not cutting Darth Legion ANY slack. I'm mad as hell. It's Day 1 and we STILL don't have any clue when days or night end and we actually did not receive any answer to our questions. A simple Day ends Wednesday at 6 PM would have sufficed from him. He was here, he told us he messed the night-post (which had 5 lines go, figure). He can at least say when the day's over. If the Day post is not up at 6:00 PM EST I'm leaving this game. No one forced DL to host if he doesn't have the time. The bit about Maurice was directed at him, not Hirk. If he considers himself replaced he should NOT POST. If he does not consider himself replaced he should VOTE. If he is resigning to "mentor" DL, he'd better post something of significance - even if it's I don't know the rules/stuff, DL won't answer me either.
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@maurice - What exactly ARE you doing? Your replacement is not here AND you're not helping our (mostly-missing) host either!
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Yeah, curr3nt's count is good: 4 out 8 roles sayalzah claimed are Vong or Mandoa. Almost the same goes for what Molly claimed. However, what sayalzah claimed is different from what Molly claimed. @Darth Legion - PLEASE ANSWER QUESTIONS. Of all the forms of inactivity, host inactivity is THE WORST! @curr3nt - spreading the votes helps vote manipulators. 2 are Vong+Mandoa (yet they can only manipulate their own vote), 1 is Republic (also can change only his vote) and one is Sith who can change someone else's vote. So, a tie is very hard to anticipate or plan (fortunately, it's hard for every faction). I'm gonna change my vote to Phaze and let the Sith direct this lynch. Host: Darth Legion 1: Araver - Voting for Phaze 2: Vineetrika 3: Marq - Voting for Phaze 4: Hirkala 5: young 6: MiKi 7: Segul 8: curr3nt - Voting for Phaze 9: Aaryan - voting for sayalzah 10: Shadow7 - Voting for Phaze 11: Phaze - Voting for Araver 12: sayalzah - Voting for MiKi 13: Framm - Voting for Molly Mae 14: Lionheart 15: golfjunkie - voting for sayalzah 16: Darth Mask - Voting for Shadow7 17: Blablah 18: Molly Mae - Voting for MiKi
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Also, please answer the following questions: 1) All cycles have 24 hours and end at 6 PM EST? 2) What does tied lynch mean on Day 1 - no lynch, random player from the tied is lynched or all tied players are lynched? 3) What does tied lynch mean on the other days - no lynch, random player from the tied is lynched or all tied players are lynched? EDIT: grammar
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Adding Marq's vote Host: Darth Legion 1: Araver - voting for sayalzah 2: Vineetrika 3: Marq - Voting for Phaze 4: Hirkala 5: young 6: MiKi 7: Segul 8: curr3nt - Voting for Phaze 9: Aaryan - voting for sayalzah 10: Shadow7 11: Phaze - Voting for Araver 12: sayalzah 13: Framm - Voting for Molly Mae 14: Lionheart 15: golfjunkie 16: Darth Mask - Voting for Shadow7 17: Blablah 18: Molly Mae - Voting for Shadow7 OK, this sucks even more. Can you please answer the other questions?
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Mandoa + Sith can win together IF (1) All Jedi are dead and (2) Fett is dead and (3) 1Sith+1Mandoa is still alive. In this case, Vong lose and Republic also wins if at least one non-Jedi is still living This possible betrayal by the Mandoans (who can still win without the Vong) is something the Vong are supposed to expect and eliminate the two Mandoans later in the game. (At least, I would if I were a Vong).
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Thought about this for a while, and with the dangers of outing, newbies need to be told something: If you are a spy (the Republic spy is the intended target of this message), then you should "subtly" push for a lynch. The mechanics of this game (3 alternating spies) works in the favor of the Republic: This means that even if you are outed as a Jedi Knight (as golfjunkie was), the following nights another will be able to spy. It's hard for the Vong+Fett to eliminate the whole spying ability. I'm voting for sayalzah now because: "A Jedi Knight was worried about sayalzah, he spied on him; and learned his role." as the night-post suggest. There are two possibilities: 1) The Jedi Knight saw that sayalzah is either Vong or Fett. In this case, please re-read this thread and SPEAK UP. 2) The Jedi Knight saw that sayalzah is either Republic or Sith. In this case, please re-read this thread and make your own choice. @Golfjunkie, you've already been outed as a Jedi Knight - we already trust you - if it's you who knows who sayalzah is, please SPEAK UP. You only need to say if he is Vong+Fett or Republic+Sith. Don't out sayalzah's complete role if he is Republic+Sith.
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I thought DL already answered me in that thread that Mandoa Wincon if they side with Vong is to eliminate Jedi also ( ) since he used the words Jedi not Republic and clarified in that Answer that Jedi=3Jedi Knights. clearly states that Republic+Sith can win together: @Molly - fine defence for N1 and enough for me. You are correct about outing being dangerous ... Vong+Fett have 2 spies (1 spy - Fett + 1 spy - Vong torture lord) and 1 RID Kill. We actually need help from Sith spy and Jedi spy + Jedi vote manipulator + Sith vote manipulator to win this. And Republic + Sith have no kill role (other than Fett). As, I said, both the Republic and the Sith win chances are very dim in the light of the Vong + Mandoa alliance. EDIT: Adding pressure on someone spied by a Jedi Knight according to post. Host: Darth Legion 1: Araver - voting for sayalzah 2: Vineetrika 3: Marq 4: Hirkala 5: young 6: MiKi 7: Segul 8: curr3nt - Voting for Phaze 9: Aaryan - voting for sayalzah 10: Shadow7 11: Phaze - Voting for Araver 12: sayalzah 13: Framm - Voting for Molly Mae 14: Lionheart 15: golfjunkie 16: Darth Mask - Voting for Shadow7 17: Blablah 18: Molly Mae - Voting for Shadow7
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Considered both in my proposal: 1) If you are Bobba Fett, the Sith spied you so they'll save you from lynch + RID you tonight. They still need help to survive till the end and they won't get that from the Vong. 2) If you are Sith and spied yourself last night, fine. Read the above, that changes nothing. In case you are missing this: I'm trying to get the Sith to save you from lynch today ONLY IF you are not a Vong, nor a Jedi. This is called mutual interest and would cement a Republic + Sith alliance.
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Now, my vote goes to Molly Mae, for pressure only. @Sith - I'd like to propose an alliance (not a truce) - Mandoa siding with Vong means 4 + 3 = 7 people in BTSC. And they have a Vong trap which apparently acts as a public spy + a Mandoa spy. Which means they might find you two. Do you think they are gonna let either of you be alive at the end??? - Vong WinCon = KILL ALL OTHERS! What I propose: - Keep spying people and go for Fett when you get the chance. - Help with lynching mandorians (other than Fett of course) and Vong. Or they will get you in the end. You know Phaze's role, take that into consideration in today's lynch. Remember that Republic WinCon is that at least one survives the war (same as Sith) and that one need not be Jedi. And remember that Republic and Sith can win together, while Vong's Win is to kill all others (with the exception of the Mandoans)! Host: Darth Legion 1: Araver - Voting for Molly Mae 2: Vineetrika 3: Marq 4: Hirkala 5: young 6: MiKi 7: Segul 8: curr3nt - Voting for Phaze 9: Aaryan 10: Shadow7 11: Phaze - Voting for Araver 12: sayalzah 13: Framm - Voting for Molly Mae 14: Lionheart 15: golfjunkie 16: Darth Mask - Voting for Shadow7 17: Blablah 18: Molly Mae
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I'd like to know that answer (publicly), too. Although it's pretty obvious. From Q&As in the signup thread: Only two persons were saved, protected or trapped (all of which could have stopped the night-kill): Araver and Golfjunkie. Very unlikely that the Vong night-kill would be wasted on the Vong Torture lord's target (which would be protected from all but RID Kills) which means I was the target of the Vong Night Kill. The Mandoa's RID Kill was incorrect (or correct but wasted on me as well *shrug* unlikely but theoretically possible). Gonna ask this just to be sure: All successful actions are shown in the night-post? And unsuccessful actions i.e. either stopped by traps or incorrect RIDs are not shown?
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"Venge kill"?? After Tombstone, I think I should have that privilege. Wait, my to-be-venge-killed-list is too long for this game. And the list starts with maurice for making up a dead-man-walking role. And maurice just ran away. Plus, who is bad anyway? (I was confused with the whole Professor X and Atreides explanation)
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@Darth Legion - Can you please post a list with who is playing who is not - and who got replaced by whom? Thanks.
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You can try to "prove" it statistically if that's what you mean. And yes, you are correct: N1 kill is biased toward experienced players AND newbies that talk. Again, inactives/those that lie low are usually protected from N1 kills. So, experienced players find themselves targets no matter what. While newbies become a target ONLY if they talk. So it's a good strategy to lie low and play dead. E.g. Framm (a.k.a. The Silent Hunter) who did not say a word. P.S. And it's not off-topic - it's N1 - this is the topic
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Nope, it is true. As I said, talking puts you on the map. You'll get to see if you play enough. However, as I said, too few kill-roles in this Mafia compared to the no. of players @Phaze
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If we run out of Mafias, I'd be willing to host another if enough people are interested. MM told me last time the licence did not cover only one hosting, so I guess I can host it again (with some more tweaks ).
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@DM - Hmm ... yeah, we're all crazy. Sane people have self-preservation and don't post N1 lest they get killed. Or trapped. Or tortured. Some crazy people get lucky - after all there are not that many kills out there. And one of them is a single-shot, so I don't imagine that being used. @DL - so end of Night 1 is now Tuesday 6 PM EST?
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Hmmm, guess this means I can try again *sigh*. OK, will think about it.
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The 6:00 PM that passed or the next?
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Wait, what? I thought you were the Magician's apprentice. Or something. Purple, wand and robe included. Don't tell me this a SW-themed tongue-in-cheek reference, because I'm too lazy to research it.
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On second thought, Phaze-ness is actually good. Since there aren't many roles with actions, hence shorter night-posts ... guess we needed topics for discussion. Even WIFOM-like topics. *shrug*
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I forgot how it was to be in a game with Phaze. Tinfoil hat on (albeit late).
