araver

July 21, 2018

I don't think I have it but

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1. Crypto

Messing around with RODENT as the first word and BRITTLING as the second got me nowhere.

RODENT WHITTLING PROFESSIONALLY was the only complete one I found. Except only the first two words have an anchor in the hint.

2. Anagram

Going with the above, there aren't many bands that fit. (THE) ROLLING STONES fit. Except they leave me with a bunch of letters that don't spell any 3 or 4 word song e.g play with fire, sparks with fly.

Gonna backtrack for a bit and see if there's another fork in the road I haven't explored.

January 6, 2018

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I think 16. Don't have a proof though.

The theoretical minimum is 4 (at least 1 touching at least 3). But you can't make opposite pairs touch themselves on a flat surface.

Start by arranging 4 pennies in a symmetrical way: North & South touch each other (place one on top of the other) then they each touch East & West (place two pennies left and right). We get a 4 penny rhomboidal structure where each of the E/W pennies need exactly 1 more connection (like an ion in chemistry), while the N/S pennies are full. Easy to see that this structure chains naturally with similar structures left & right.

To end the chain of similar 4-penny structures one would need a loop/circle of such structures while avoiding the N/S pennies touching another structure. A minimal arrangement of 4-rhomboidal seems to be when 4 of such structures are aligned in a circle.

Each N touches E, S, W from same structure. Each S touches E, N, W from same structure. Each W touches S, N from same structure and E from adjacent structure, etc. Can't properly draw this, but it was an interesting mini-game to turn the matter.js "Circle Stack" demo online to such an arrangement. I call it a game because that is a real physics environment where stuff bounces and it's very easy to disrupt your structure near the end

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September 17, 2017

5 hours ago, gavinksong said:

@araver random question: how does it appear on the NP when someone's been targeted for a kill by multiple roles?

Both roles would appear. As in "Dolores and Hector removed X"

September 17, 2017

@gavinksong @plasmid

To clarify what I meant. Before the change / cooperation actions read like this:

Spoiler

Night 2:
1. Dolores - Flamebirde - Kill Plasmid
2. Teddy - Bonanova - Block Plasmid
3. Maeve - gavinksong - No action ???
5. Hector - plasmid - Kill Bonanova - blocked
6. Dr. Robert Ford - Nana - NK Gavinksong

NP shows Dolores removed Plasmid and Ford removed Gavinksong.

1. Gavinksong - Killed N2 by Dr. Robert Ford
2. Flamebirde
3. Nana77
4. plasmid - Killed N2 by Dolores
6. bonanova
5. Aura 2.0 (phil1882) - Lynched D1 as Man in Black
7. aura - Killed N1 by Dr. Robert Ford

That would have left Flame, Nana and Bonanova alive in Day 2.

Flame couldn't verify Bona's claim just by reading the NP. Granted, he would know Dolores didn't block plasmid, but he could think plasmid lied about being Hector. After all, Aura could have been Hector. When Bona blocked Plasmid, but he was killed, he could also deduce, but not be 100% sure that plasmid was Hector (what he claimed).

I do agree goodies could have *still* won this, just saying it wasn't as clear as advertised. Because assuming goodies tell the truth and trust or cooperate fully in a Mafia game ... is a dangerous assumption to say the least

September 16, 2017

Host's summary:

Even though this game was marked by inactivity in its first phases, it was a delight in the last part.The Indy being inactive removed some of the balance in the roles, however what kept goodies on their toes was the hidden ODTG RID Kill. Once Nana removed the Indy via lynch ... the balance tilted towards the goodies. After observing the past 5-6 games of this size, I think that much of the balance in this small 5vs1vs1 setting comes from the cat-and-mouse game between the Indy and the Baddie. If one component is missing or cross-fires and the information gets out, goodies have time to formulate a plan and tilt the balance. However, this is all part of the fun of the game - actions and words have consequences.

After removing the Indy RID threat goodies openly and collaboratively proposed and corrected plans for the end-game. That was a dream ending for the host (obviously not for the non-goodies). MVP goes to plasmid for fixing the final plan as well as selecting the right night to act, but kudos to all the goodies that made the plan happen. At the time plasmid proposed it, the situation was different for the goodies, with the baddie not being taken out during the night and not blocked (and goodies couldn't have known the baddie had already spent the ODTG vote manipulation).

September 16, 2017

Night 2: "Latest, but not Last Update"

Dr. Ford had one more update planned and managed to skip the QA team by acting at night. As he carefully adjusted the final touches, he began smiling to himself. An old tune came into his mind and he began humming it as he changed the last lines of code and uploaded it. As soon as it was deployed to the hosts, the update permanently turned plasmid offline.

Close to midnight Hector bumped into Bonanova while making his scheduled entrance to the saloon. And since temper was never programmed into his persona, he quickly gave Bonanova a bad case of lead poisoining. Bona stumbled back into the saloon and fell on a nearby table that crumbled under him. He stared at the strange arrangement of lamps hanging far above him, trying to take a pattern in. A smile crept slowly as the pattern emerged in his mind.

Meanwhile back on the street, Dolores mustered her courage and grabbed a pistol out of her bag. She marched slowly towards Nana who was speaking with some strangers near the bank. She didn't even give her a chance to turn around before shooting point blank.

tl;dr version:
* Hector removed Bonanova
* Dolores removed Nana
* Dr. Ford shutdown plasmid

Host: araver

1. Gavinksong
2. Flamebirde
3. Nana77 - Killed N2 by Dolores
4. plasmid - Killed N2 by Dr. Robert Ford
6. bonanova - Killed N2 by Hector
5. Aura 2.0 (phil1882) - Lynched D1 as Man in Black
7. aura - Killed N1 by Dr. Robert Ford

Goodies win! Congratulations!

Secrets in the spoiler

Spoiler

Roles:
1. Gavinksong - Maeve
2. Flamebirde - Dolores
3. Nana77 - Dr. Robert Ford
4. plasmid - Hector
5. Aura 2.0 (phil1882) - Man in Black
6. bonanova - Teddy
7. aura - Clementine

Actions:

Night 1:
1. Dolores - Flamebirde - No action
2. Teddy - Bonanova - Block no one
3. Maeve - gavinksong - Inactive
4. Clementine - Aura - Save plasmid - 50% works -> plasmid is saved
5. Hector - plasmid - Kill - No action - random.org says kills on even nights.
6. Dr. Robert Ford - Nana - NK Aura
7. Man in Black - Phil - No action

Outlive: Clementine and Dolores and Dr. Ford

NP shows:
* Dr Robert Ford "updated" Aura.

Day 1:
6. Dr. Robert Ford - Nana - ODTG remove vote for bonanova

Result: Aura 2.0 (phil) is lynched (2 vs 1 votes)

Night 2:
1. Dolores - Flamebirde - Kill Nana
2. Teddy - Bonanova - Block Gavinksong
3. Maeve - gavinksong - No action ???
5. Hector - plasmid - Kill Bonanova
6. Dr. Robert Ford - Nana - NK Gavinksong

NP shows:
* Hector removed Bonanova
* Dolores removed Nana
* Dr. Ford removed plasmid

September 16, 2017

To clarify the end of the night happens in around 4 hours 45 minutes.

September 16, 2017

52 minutes ago, plasmid said:

If it goes into a final day phase with 1 goodie vs 1 baddie (without a vote manip) so they both vote each other and die in the lynch does that count as a tie?

Yes. I would count as a tie rather than make the host win this

September 14, 2017

Day 1: "Deja vu?"

The revival was short. Back to the drawing board.

tl;dr version:

* Aura 2.0 was lynched as Man in Black

Host: araver

1. Gavinksong
2. Flamebirde
3. Nana77
4. plasmid
6. bonanova

5. Aura 2.0 (phil1882) - Lynched D1 as Man in Black
7. aura - Killed N1 by Dr. Robert Ford

Night 2 ends in 48 hours, 9AM EDT on Saturday.

September 14, 2017

Host: araver

1. gavinksong - voting for bonanova
2. Flamebirde - voting for bonanova
3. Nana77 - voting for plasmid
4. plasmid - voting for Aura 2.0
5. Aura 2.0
6. bonanova - voting for Aura 2.0

7. aura - Killed N1 by Dr. Robert Ford

A little under 7 hours remaining.

September 13, 2017

Host: araver

1. gavinksong - voting for bonanova
2. Flamebirde - voting for Aura 2.0
3. Nana77 - voting for plasmid
4. plasmid - voting for Aura 2.0
5. Aura 2.0
6. bonanova - voting for Aura 2.0

7. aura - Killed N1 by Dr. Robert Ford

Reposting roster with whole information (i.e. incl. dead).

Regarding your issues with the replacement/reveal, I hear you, but you have to trust the host on this. After all, this is what you signed up for

And no, I did not hint at all at her (previous or actual) role. That is, you may infer what you want, just don't pin it on the host. e.g. invulnerability N1 for the Indy is in the OP (original post) along with the rules.

September 13, 2017

5 hours ago, nana77 said:

Since Aura 2.0 knows Aura 1.0's role, should 1.0's role be revealed to all for balance? Especially if 2.0 is replacing a baddie or indy who just got a free claim.

IMHO, it shouldn't. I agree that it looks as if one player has a bit of extra info, but outing the N1 kill would disrupt much more in balance.

But Aura is a mature enough player, if she absolutely feels like it, she can tell you herself

September 13, 2017

24 minutes ago, plasmid said:

1. Is a simultaneous goodie and indy win possible? If so, how?

2. Specifically, what happens if the indy RID kills his last target and the goodies kill the indy simultaneously?

1. Theoretically? No.

If the Indy outlives (is alive at the end of a phase where all his targets are dead) then game ends with Indy win. Even if there are goodies alive at that point, they can't win since game stops with Indy victory.

If everybody dies at the end of a phase, then no one is really alive to claim victory.

2.ODTG Indy RID kill happens instantly. Even if it's in the last second before a phase ends, it can't happen at the same time as a goodie killing the indy or indy being lynched.

Also, reviving Aura to replace phil.

And since I was asked twice but not publicly:

1. If a player is inactive for a phase, the host randoms an action for him/her.

2. If a player is inactive for more than 1 phase, he/she gets replaced (that means 4 day IRL, so plenty of time to give a proof of life)

Host: Araver

1. Gavinksong - voting for Flamebirde
2. Flamebirde - voting for bonanova
3. Nana77 - voting for plasmid
4. plasmid - voting for Aura 2.0
5. Aura 2.0
6. bonanova

*DEAD 7. Aura - Removed N1 by Dr. Ford

September 12, 2017

Forgot to add, Day 1 ends in 48 hours, 9AM EDT on Thursday.

September 12, 2017

Night 1: "Where art thou?"

Silently the nightly builds were deployed into the unknowing hosts. One of them never quite manage to reboot and was dragged to QA for some quick diagnostics. They decided the host was unfit for duty and silently sent her to a dry cool place. Read storage. No other news.

tl;dr version:

* Dr. Robert Ford "updated" Aura.

Host: araver

1. Gavinksong
2. Flamebirde
3. Nana77
4. plasmid
5. phil1882
6. bonanova

7. aura - Killed N1 by Dr. Robert Ford

September 11, 2017

11 hours ago, plasmid said:

There sure are a lot of "ifs" in there. It could be affected not only by the saves -- the full time save, the trap, and Dolores' ODTG save -- there's Dolores' lynch save which will ensure that she doesn't get lynched and probably extend things, and both a full time goodie block and Dolores' ODTG block and an indy trap that could stop the baddie from vote redirecting (though indy is likely to act on self), and Dolores' ODTG extra vote that could essentially nullify the baddie's vote removal. Keep your ideas in mind, but stay flexible.

1. Are we doing things with group NK mechanics (even though there's not really a baddie group) with regard to spying; in other words, does Dr. Ford appear on follow spy reports as acting on the NK victim?

Also FYI FWIW the goodie block probably shouldn't act N1. It can't stop the baddie kill and is lower on the order of actions than the indy's trap so it can't stop the trap (2. Right?) but it could mess up a goodie's action if you block a spy. The only real use of the block is to stop the baddie from being able to remove a vote.

1. Follow spy can see the NK. It has a carrier. It is true that it can't be blocked, but it can be spied.

2. No. You're thinking of >> strictly chronological version.

Trap > block:

If A traps B who tries to block A or block anyone else, A wins OOA and the block does not happen.

If A traps C and B blocks A (C is not B) then B's block does indeed stop the trap.

If it had been >> instead, it would be strictly chronological A traps C then B blocks A but with no real effect since the trap already happened.

September 9, 2017

Spoiler

If the population growth is susceptible to be modelled as exponential growth with a constant rate of growth then the answer is 30 years ago, as the doubling time is constant.

Or as an example would show it visually.

Growth Rate		2.33739%

X	100.0000		X	100.0000
X+1	102.3374		X-1	97.7160
X+2	104.7294		X-2	95.4842
X+3	107.1773		X-3	93.3033
X+4	109.6825		X-4	91.1722
X+5	112.2462		X-5	89.0899
X+6	114.8698		X-6	87.0551
X+7	117.5548		X-7	85.0667
X+8	120.3025		X-8	83.1238
X+9	123.1144		X-9	81.2252
X+10	125.9921		X-10	79.3700
X+11	128.9370		X-11	77.5572
X+12	131.9508		X-12	75.7858
X+13	135.0350		X-13	74.0549
X+14	138.1913		X-14	72.3635
X+15	141.4214		X-15	70.7107
X+16	144.7269		X-16	69.0956
X+17	148.1098		X-17	67.5175
X+18	151.5717		X-18	65.9754
X+19	155.1145		X-19	64.4685
X+20	158.7401		X-20	62.9960
X+21	162.4505		X-21	61.5572
X+22	166.2476		X-22	60.1512
X+23	170.1334		X-23	58.7774
X+24	174.1101		X-24	57.4349
X+25	178.1798		X-25	56.1231
X+26	182.3445		X-26	54.8412
X+27	186.6066		X-27	53.5887
X+28	190.9683		X-28	52.3647
X+29	195.4320		X-29	51.1687
X+30	200.0000		X-30	50.0000

September 9, 2017

On 8/17/2017 at 0:42 AM, araver said:

Not sure what "really nice" means.

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A nicer version would be to compute the area of the rhomboid and subtract it from twice the area of the sectors to obtain the yellow area.

The rhomboid has all lengths 1 and one diagonal equal to the green line above 2/sqrt(3) which makes the other diagonal 2*sqrt(2)/sqrt(3). The area of the rhomboid is then 2*sqrt(2)/3.

However computing the sector of the circle requires knowing the angle. Cosine law gives us cos(alpha) = -1/3 or using the rhomboid area above and the sine formula for an isosceless triangle sin(alpha) = 2*sqrt(2)/3. Area of one sector of the circle is alpha/2 = arcsin(2*sqrt(2)/3)/2.

Hence area of 1 yellow zone is alpha (2 sectors) - 2*sqrt(2)/3 (rhomboid).

Area of the required 3 yellow zones is then 3*arcsin(2*sqrt(2)/3) - 2*sqrt(2).

Pretty sure arccos(-1/3) is very irrational.

Since the above was never translated to an approximation (8 significant digits):

Spoiler

Area of the 3 yellow zones per above spoiler:

3*arcsin(2*sqrt(2)/3) - 2*sqrt(2) = 3*arccos(-1/3)-2*sqrt(2)=3*1.91063324-2*1.414213562 = 2.903472595

P.S. Area of the red sector per previous spoiler:

sqrt(3) - pi/2 = 1.732050808 - 3.141592654/2 = 0.161254481

September 9, 2017

1 minute ago, flamebirde said:

1. Does the Indy's trap stop the target from being able to vote?

2. Do RID/NK/goodie kills happen simultaneously? i.e. If Dr. ford targets Hector for a kill, do both die (if no one else interferes)?

1. In this game, the indy trap only affects the night phase as a block+save combined and does not silence or trap during the day.

So, no, it does not interfere with the target's ability to vote or be voted for, but it does block the target from using day actions such as vote manipulation or special ODTG powers if blocked the night before.

2. The only instanteneous action in this game is the Indy ODTG RID Kill. That happens instantly during the day/night it is used and becomes a post announcing the death of a player if successful.

The rest of actions are evaluated at the end of the night and so happen at the same time. For actions of the same type e.g. X NKs Y and Y kills X, both happen.

September 9, 2017

4 minutes ago, Auramyna said:

1. Does the Indy trap appear even if it doesn't save anyone from actual death?

2. Can they act on themselves?

3. Do the goodie save and the Indy trap appear identically in the night post?

1. No, it only appears as a save if successful. NP shows only deaths and saves.

2. Yes, trap can act on self.

3. Yes, they both appear as "Player X was saved" (but not which role did the saving). Whereas the killing appears as "Player X was killed by Role Y".

September 9, 2017

Westworld Mafia (I)

Goodies - Artificially created beings that live in the Westworld Park, some original hosts being mostly mechanical, others made from biological tissue that resembles flesh and blood. They were created by Arnold and Dr. Robert Ford and are designed to be incapable of hurting any living non-host (i.e. human) visiting the park. WinCon: Lock the humans out of their control of their programming (i.e. "Eliminate" as in lynch/kill). That means getting rid of both dr. Ford and the Man in Black.

1. Dolores - One of the oldest active hosts, the rancher's daughter forced to be the damsel in distress in Sweetwater. As she has been updated numerous times over the years, she has access to all sorts of actions, but can use each of them only once (each is ODTG). Can use actions on back-to-back night/day phases. Day actions cannot be used if blocked/trapped the night before. (Choice)
** 1: Save the target of the lynch (day action, target can be chosen at any time during the day)
** 2: Add 1 extra secret vote invisible to the players (day action)
** 3: Remove 1 vote publicly cast (day action, target is the player casting the vote, vote is made x0)
** 4: Distract to protect an innocent (night action, save, does not work on self)
** 5: Force a target to reconsider (night action, block)
** 6: Grab a gun and get the job done (night action, kill)

2. Teddy - A host returning to Sweetwater to reunite with Dolores and attempt to protect her. He lacks a complete backstory but has an impressive arsenal that allows him to scare someone away each night, but not the same person twice in a row. (Block)

3. Maeve - A host working as "manager" at the Mariposa saloon in Sweetwater. An inquisitive mind that appears to have flashback events. This allows her choose one character to focus on and find out at the end of the night either who targeted that player or who that player acted upon (choice). ODTG during the night, she can instead try to force the visions and get a complete report (role spy) but that will make her lose her powers (vanilla) permanently. (Spy)

4. Clementine - A host working at the Mariposa saloon. Each night she can try to save a player, by giving them a special "discount", but cannot save self nor the same person twice in a row. Also, there is a 50% chance the action will not work at all and Clementine will lose her voting power the next day - she will know that the voting power was lost but the other players won't (Save)

5. Hector - A host in the role of the permanent "Most Wanted" bandit. He subscribes to the theory that the world is a mad place, and the only way to survive is to embrace the role of predator. Chooses to kill on even or odd nights at the beginning of the game. Must kill on said night. (Kill)

Baddies - Humans running the Westworld Park and the hosts within it, represented by dr. Ford. Each night he roll updates and can take one host offline retiring it permanently. They usually can control only the actions of the hosts not those of other humans, but in some special cases, they can manipulate their way in the real world as well. WinCon: Take all the hosts offline for "maintenance" and get rid of the Man in Black.

6. Dr. Robert Ford - A brilliant and complicated creative director and co-creator of the Park. No one really understands his plans or future naratives, but no one tries to stand up to him either. His night kill is unstoppable except for someone saving the target but in that case he at least learns the target's identity. ODTG he can remove a vote but not if blocked or trapped the night before.

Indy - WinCon: Outlive two secret goodies and dr. Robert Ford (baddie).

7. Man in Black - A Westworld veteran visiting the park for over 30 years now, he believes one of the original park creators hid some mystery in the park and is determined to find it. He tries to find the hosts or humans that can lead him to the Labyrinth.
- Each night can trap a player, but not the same player twice in a row. Trap saves target from kills and blocks his/her night action but does NOT silence a player for the next day. (Trap)
- Invulnerable N1 will appear as saved if targeted for a kill.
- OTDG during the day or the night can RID Kill. Action is instantaneous and cannot be blocked (unless the Man in Black was blocked or trapped the night before).

Rules:
* NP shows only deaths and saves.
* DP shows only lynched players and their roles.
* Tie rules: D1 No lynch. D2+ All lynched.
* Order of Actions (OOA): Trap > Block > Save > NK, Kill, RID Kill > Spy.
* Kills are not blocking. Vote manips can be blocked i.e. blocks/traps at night stop day abilities.
* Blocked players will be blocked & told regardless if they had an action or not.
* ODTG = Exactly Once During The Game. Indy ODTG RID Kill is unblockable and unsaveable regardless if played during the day or night as action happens instantaneously. The ODTG cannot be used by the Indy during the day only if blocked/trapped the night before. The Indy RID Kill ODTG action appear as separate NP/DP post only if successful i.e. it fails silently if used incorrectly.

48 hour phases (night/days) should accommodate a slower start ... with a 72 hour first phase to account for confirmations.

Host: araver

1. Gavinksong
2. Flamebirde
3. Nana77
4. plasmid
5. phil1882
6. bonanova
7. aura

Roles going out soon, Night 1 ends in 72 hours, Tuesday around 9 AM EDT.

September 9, 2017

Roles for the 7-player version: