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  1. A man has two girlfriends, reachable only by train. One lives to the North, the other to the South. Being a man, he is incapable of deciding which to marry. Since a train leaves his station each hour to the North, and another leaves each hour to the South, he decides to leave his amorous visits to chance. Let Fate decide. Being a clever person, he creates a device that sounds an alarm at a random time of the day. Each day, promptly after the alarm sounds, he takes the 5-minute walk to his station and boards the next train to arrive: Northbound or Southbound. After a year has passed, he finds he has visited one of the girlfriends [turns out it was the one to the South] more than 300 times, and so he marries her. Assuming his random time-of-day device was working properly, how could this have happened?
  2. What goes up the chimney down, but not down the chimney up? He used his umbrella.
  3. Overhead from the back seat... She: I am perfect. He: _______? Clue: How do get to Carnegie hall?
  4. your math is off -- or your typist made a typo.... Two typists [together] can type at a pace of 1 page/minute. and therefore, also, they can type 18 pages in 18 minutes
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    Barbera

    My name is Joe; my wife is Mary. Our daughter is Amber. Mary's mother is Barbera. Who is Barbera's daughter? Clue: it's Mary. Who is my daughter? Clue: it's Amber. Who is her mother? Clue: it's Mary. Listen as Joe speaks: Barbera's daughter is my daughter's mother. The speaker could be Barbera's son-in-law.
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    Coins

    "You will give me the gold coin." is close. They can give you the gold coin [thus making the statement true and requiring them to do so.] But they can also give you nothing [thus making the statement false and requiring them not to give you anything.] You have to add something to change the second outcome. "You will give me the gold coin or you will give me nothing." Now they can't give you nothing because that makes the statement true.
  7. My head says any lying day; my heart says Monday. What does the unicorn have to do with this?
  8. Use the shorthand notation IH IS IN GH GS GN for the 6 cases of [innocent Guilty] [Honestant Swindlecant Normal]. Craft statements that distinguish you from the perpetrator [P] for 4 different scenarios: [1] You are an IS. The court knows P is a GS. They don't know whether you are H or S. [2] You are a GS. The court knows P is a GS. They don't know whether you are H or S. [3] You are an IH. The court knows P is a GH. They don't know whether you are H or S. [4] You are IH IS or IN [innocent, unspecified]. The court knows P is GH or GS [Guilty, but not Normal]. [1] Distinguish yourself [an IS] from P [a GS]. Create a statement that anyone but a GS can make. It must be true for a GS [can't] or any H [can] and false for IS [can]. i.e. the statement must be false iff the speaker is IS. "I am not an Innocent Swindlecant." What the court can conclude is this: If you were a GS [and fit P's known profile] this statement would be true and you couldn't make it. If you were an IS it would be false, and that's ok. If you were any flavor of H the statement would be true and you could make it; but no H is a GS. Thus, only an innocent person can make this statement. P cannot, and anyone else can. You could be anybody but P. Go home. [2] Distinguish yourself [a GS] from P [a GS]. You can't. You're cooked. Too bad. There is no statement that distinguishes a GS from a GS. Please report to the gas chamber. [3] Distinguish yourself [an IH] from P [a GH]. Create a statement that anybody but a GH could make. It must be true for an IH, false for a GH and false for any flavor of S. i.e. the statement must be true iff the speaker is IH "I am an innocent honestant." You're free to go. [4] Distinguish yourself [you are IH IN or IS] from P [a GH or GS]. Create a statement that any I can make, but neither a GH nor a GS can make. Cases and Truth requirements. IH - statement must be T IN - doesn't matter: N's can say T or F as they choose. IS - must be F GH - must be F GN - doesn't matter: such people do not exist. P is known not to be a GN. GS - must be T Taking the cases that do matter, the statement must be true iff the speaker is IH or GS. "I am either an innocent honestant or a guilty swindlecant" What the court can conclude is this: If you were an IH the statement would be true and you can make it. If you were an IN you could say anything you like, so you could say this. If you were an IS, the statement would be false, and you could make it. So you could be any flavor of Innocent. Further, If you were a GH the statement would be false and you could not make it. If you were a GS the statement would be true and you could not make it. You can't be a GN: P is known not to be N. GN's don't exist. So you could not be any flavor of Guilty All charges are dropped. You're free to go.
  9. The answer is - YES - head for the hills and bring your pick and shovel. But I don't think anyone has given the correct analysis yet. Here's mine: First, note the statement that was made: There is treasure only if I am an honest man. Some have made the mistake of calling this logical equivalence. It's not. A only if B is logically the same as if B then A. Logical equivalence is more restrictive: A if and only if B. The truth tables differ in the case of a false premise and a true conclusion: "False implies Truth" is True for if; it's False for if and only if. Thus, we can restate simply as if B then A: If I am an honest man then there is treasure. There are two cases: the speaker is a honestant [H] or a swindlecant . [1] H - the speaker is an honest man If the speaker is honest, the premise is true [fact] and the logical implication must be true [else he would be lying]. Therefore the conclusion is true: There is treasure. [2] S - the speaker is lying. If the speaker is lying, the premise if false [fact] and the logical implication must be false, also, [else he would be telling the truth.] But, because a false premise validly implies every conclusion, such an implication is always true. A contradiction. Thus we must conclude that the speaker could not have been a swindlecant: one cannot invalidly conclude anything [tell a lie, as a swindlecant must do] starting from a false premise. Since the speaker must have been a truth-teller, there must be a treasure.
  10. Let's identify the four types [rich poor], [honestant, swindlecant] of creatures as RH PH RS and PS. There are two statements that must be crafted: [1] A statement that only an RS can make, proving the speaker is a rich swindlecant. [2] A statement that only an RH can make, proving the speaker is a rich honestant. [1] A statement that only an RS can make. Such a statement must be false if spoken by either type of honestant, eliminating RH and PH. It must be true if spoken by a poor swindlecant, eliminating PS It must be false if spoken by a rich swindlecant, making it OK for RS. That is, the statement must be true if and only if the speaker is a poor swindlecant. The simplest such statement is: "I am a Poor Swindlecant." Only an RS can say that in character. [2] A statement that only an RH can make. Such a statement must be true if spoken by either type of swindlecant, eliminating RS and PS. It must be false if spoken by a poor honestant, eliminating PH. It must be true if spoken by a rich honestant, making it OK for RH. That is, the statement must be false if and only if the speaker is a poor honestant. The simplest such statement is: "I am not a Poor Honestant." Only an RH can say that in character.
  11. There are 3 cases [HH, SS and HS] and in each case one or the other of the Aborigines could have answered. So the gringo could have heard any of 6 answers. As Ploper points out, 5 of these answers will be Yes. Only one answer could be No: the answer given by the Swindlecant in the case HS. So the answer is - the gringo heard "No" and that made it clear a Swindlecant was speaking and that there was one of each. A "Yes" answer gives no information about either point.
  12. This is correct. The final bit of analysis is that we can't know what A is.
  13. Thanks. I love these things, too, and thoroughly enjoy this site. - bn
  14. Remember the question to answer is: What statement shall the mother make to save her child? First, let's ask: has the croc already decided what he'll do? [1] Yes. [this is suggested by "if you don't guess his fate ..."] The answer in this case is: Nothing the mother says can affect whether the child is eaten or returned. It's a fallacy to suggest there are Mother's words that will force the return of her baby. Its fate is sealed; not open to negotiation. Not a satisfying result for the puzzle solver or the mother. Poor baby. [2] No. [this is suggested by "If you guess [correctly] ... then I will ..."] In this case, what the croc will do is determined by the response of the mother. And the task is to construct a reply which will logically bind the croc to return the child. The best solution is reply that he will choose, and his choice will be either to eat or to return. This is a clever approach because it seems to cover all the bases and force the baby's return. But by assuring the baby's return, the mother seals its fate: The croc merely says, "sorry, but you're wrong. I'll prove you're wrong by eating the baby, and thus fulfill my word which is ... [read carefully]: If you don't guess his fate I'll eat him. [Only because] she secured his return by her clever answer, she wrongly guessed its fate. The croc had dinner that night. Another unsatisfactory result. Personally, I like the strategy mentioned above of threatening the croc with unbelievably heinous consequences if the baby is not returned. Always appeal to enlightened self interest.
  15. 6. Everyone who is not here, please indicate by raising your hand.
  16. Depends on what is meant by "have." [1] If have means "own," then yes. I can give someone something that I do not own. e.g. if I stole it. To give something, one only needs the ability to determine who controls it. If I control it, I can pass its control to someone else. So ... [2] If have means "possess the control of" then no. As stated, the paradox arises from the different antecedents of "with sorrow." Sorrow is the consequence of giving, not a possession before the act. But the language permits that interpretation by its form. Cute.
  17. When a denial implicitly asserts a truth you have a paradox. Kind of an empty one, tho -- as was pointed out, nothing was predicted!
  18. Putting it another way, the more certain the man is [on Friday night, should he live that long] that he cannot be hanged on Saturday [the last possible day for the hanging] the more surprised he is when it happens. It's possible because of the prisoner's unwavering belief in the truth of the judge's statements. As with other semantic paradoxes, the assumption that what is being asserted is true comes into play. If the prisoner didn't believe what the judge said was true, he might [expectantly] dread a Saturday hanging, thereby precluding it! The moral: Never believe a judge. It might cost your head.
  19. It's the fact that one statement can be a contradiction. [1] "I am lying." Spreading that over two statements does not change the nature of the paradox: [2] "I am telling the truth." [3] "The previous statement is a lie." Here, one can simply eliminate statement [2], which carries no information, and change [3] into [4] "This statement is a lie." which is equivalent to statement [1]. To my mind the paradox arises from an explicit assertion of something's falseness using a vehicle [declarative sentence] which implicitly asserts its truth.
  20. Destiny and free will become paradoxical if and only if [1] they both determine the outcome of events. [2] they apply to the same event at the same time. Clearly, two independent forces cannot each have their way in the same matter [e.g. going to the doctor] at the same time [today, at 10:00, the time of my appointment.] Either [if Destiny has its way] I become simply an observer, capable only of telling someone after the fact that I did [or didn't] keep my appointment or I choose to keep my appointment and am forced [lamely] into the supposition that [my then unknown] Destiny must have been that I do so. Destiny and free will cannot both be the deciding factor and be independent of each other. What does that mean? One conclusion is that one or the other simply does not exist. [At least] one of them is simply an illusion: one that people discuss, but that owns no real affective power. Usually at this point we cling to our free will and throw Destiny out the window. But experience suggests that particular outcomes seem to happen despite the choices of others to the contrary: one might assert that Hitler was destined to fail, despite protracted and horrendous [free] choices made, by many, to obtain his success. This is the seemingly favorite way to invoke Destiny - something that happens over an extended period of time, contrary to many free choices [or other inanimate obstacles] to the contrary. This is the point of [2] at the beginning of my post. Free choices and Destiny can coexist if they to not apply to the same matter at the same time. It might be my Destiny, born out of my underlying desire for health, to recover from an illness even though I decide not to keep today's appointment with the doctor. Eventually I will seek and get the help I need. In this sense, free will applies to the microscopic decisions and strategies I employ moment by moment, and can logically co-exist with a Destiny which sees eventual outcomes -- outcomes that are outside my ability directly to create. Coexistence is non paradoxical -- both can determine certain outcomes -- if they each operate in their respective, disjoint arenas. Finally, if one believes in an overpowering Destiny that applies to every event in every arena, and if, in the face of that prospect, one simply gives up an active role in life, becoming only its spectator, it can be accurately said that one has so chosen. A paradox of a different type.
  21. What underlies paradoxes of this type is the syntactical rule that a declarative sentence is by its nature an assertion of some particular truth. To use a presumed assertion of truth to deny that same truth is paradoxical: One cannot convey usable knowledge by asserting a denial. Nor can one meaningfully deny a truth: the coin has two paradoxical sides: [1] "I am asserting a falsehood." or "I am lying." [2] "I am not asserting something that is true." or "I am not telling the truth." Putting it another way, it's physically possible to speak the words, "I am lying." But when one undertakes a linear analysis of what has happened when the words are spoken, one is drawn into the syntactical analogy of a Moebius Strip: a piece of paper having a physical connection of its two sides. The circular reasoning forced on the mind by a linear analysis of such statements creates a pleasantly frustrating tease, and the desire for consistency and meaning leaves one in a disturbingly uncomfortable state. Long live paradoxes...
  22. B starts with 3 liters. Filling C [takes 1 liter] leaves 2 [not 4] liters in B.
  23. Each weighing has three outcomes: Left side is [lighter than] [equal to] [heavier than] Right side. Three weighings can thus discern among [3]x[3]x[3]= 27 cases. We have only 24 cases: one of 12 balls is heavier or lighter than the rest. So we can solve the problem, so long as ... [1] The first weighing reduces the cases to no more than 9. [2] The second weighing reduces the cases to no more than 3. [3] The third weighing then distinguishes among 3 or fewer cases. First weighing: Set aside four balls. Why? Because, if the first weighing balances, we have 8 [fewer than 9] cases: One of the 4 excluded balls is heavier or lighter. [1] Weigh 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Outcome 1[a] 1 2 3 4 balances 5 6 7 8. Since only one ball is odd, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 must all be normal. We have 8 cases: 9 10 11 or 12 is H or L [shorthand: H=heavier; L=lighter] [2] Weigh 1 2 3 9 10 11 [we know 1 2 3 are normal] If this balances, 9 10 11 are also normal, and 12 is H or L. [3] Weigh 12 [any other ball] If 12 rises, then 12L; if 12 falls, then 12H. If [2] 9 10 11 rises, we have 3 cases: 9L, 10L or 11L [3] Weigh 9 10. If [3] balances, then 11L; If 10 rises, then 10L; If 9 rises, then 9L If [2] 9 10 11 falls, we have 3 cases: 9H, 10H or 11H [3] Weigh 9 10. If [3] balances, then 11H; If 10 falls, then 10H; If 9 falls, then 9H end of Outcome 1[a]: balance. Outcome 1: 1 2 3 4 falls, and 5 6 7 8 rises. This gives 8 cases: 1H, 2H, 3H, 4H, 5L, 6L, 7L, or 8L The second weighing in this case becomes tricky. Remember each of its three outcomes can lead to no more than 3 cases for the third weighing to resolve. Again, we exclude a number of balls and involve the others. We exclude any three of the balls. Why? Because if the other [included] balls balance, we have exactly 3 cases. Without loss of generality we exclude balls 1 2 3. Since that leaves an odd number of balls, 4 5 6 7 8, we need to use one of the normal balls. Finally we choose which three to weigh against the others. And here's the only hard part of this problem. We must mix some of the possibly light balls with some of the possibly heavy balls. Otherwise, one of the outcomes of the second weighing will leave us with more than 3 cases, and the third weighing will not resolve this. [2] weigh 4[H] 5[L] 6[L] 1[normal] 7[L] 8[L] in parentheses I've indicated the POSSIBLE cases that we have determined: 4[H] means 4 is heavier if it's not normal. Outcome 2[a]: 4 5 6 balances 1 7 8 These balls are all normal. We have 3 cases: 1H 2H or 3H. [3] weigh 1 2 If [3] balances, then 1 and 2 are normal, and 3H if 2 falls, then 2H if 1 falls, then 1H Outcome 2b: 4 5 6 falls, and 1 7 8 rises. We have 3 cases: 4H 7L or 8L [3] weigh 7 8 if [3] balances, then 7 and 8 are normal, and 4H if 7 rises, then 7L if 8 rises, then 8L Outcome 2[c]: 4 5 6 rises, and 1 7 8 falls. We have 2 cases: 5L or 6L. [3] weigh 1[normal] 5[L] If 5 rises, then 5L If balance, then 5 is normal, and 6L Now we can go back and take the remaining case Outcome 1[c]: 1 2 3 4 rises, and 5 6 7 8 falls. to distinguish among the remaining 8 cases: 1L 2L 3L 4L 5H 6H 7H and 8H exactly as we analyzed Outcome 1b. Simply substitute H for L and v.v. Problem solved.
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