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When you respond emotionally to some "mystery" about which science has no clue, you are not deluding yourself, you are simply using the human tools available to you, rather then burying your head in the sand and "praying" for science to provide an answer.

Actually if some "mystery" would happen I wouldn't "pray" for a scientific explanation cause even though there surely is one, with the laws of nature that we are familiar with it, it just might be possible that we still can't explain what happened. I wouldn't resort to God! It just seems to me like a simple way out.

Now a completely different thing. I've seen this (in the movies, but it probably happens in real life too) that when someone is terminally ill and when all the medical treatments are exhausted, people decide to put everything into “God's hands”. Now if they believe in God, wasn't that in God's hands from the get-go?? Why did they start with the treatment if they knew that it's God's will anyway whether they'll get better or not?

Another example of “God’s work”. Someone is viciously murdered. The killer is punished. Family of the victim says “God’s will”. So God used that murderer as his tool to take that persons life. The murderer goes to jail and faces hell cause he was just a puppet in God’s hands. Now that unfortunate victim could have died by slipping and banging his had on concrete, but he didn’t. If it’s God’s will why didn’t he just “make it look like an accident”?

There’s just so many things that doesn’t make sense! I’m really baffled how you believers manage to put this Christianity puzzle together without having that puzzle crumble to smithereens.

I'm impressed by the wisdom, intelligence and thought that goes into the posts of the top posters here ...

... however ...

Achieving status based merely on post count has its serious drawbacks. There are posters who are obviously adding comments just to pad their stats.

I'm not suggesting that post count be hidden, I'm just commenting that there's no shortcut to actually reading someone's posts to decide whose advice to take.

By experienced member I meant that we know how everything works around here on BD. So if anyone has any questions he can address them to us and it did happen to me (I have received questions from newbies) and I was always happy to help.

Why am I always being misinterpreted??

You can't shock everybody out of their belief systems, but it seems like you want to. Am I understanding you right?

No, it's not about shocking their belief system (they just think that they have a belief system ) it's about being left alone and in peace.

Hypothetical scenario:

*Insert name here*: Why didn't you make the sign of the cross when you have entered the church, it's very disrespectful and blah, blah, blah...

Me: I'm an atheist I don't believe in this stuff, I've even reversed baptism even though I don't believe in it so I wouldn't have to take this crap anymore! Leave me alone! Let me just be!

Something like that. I know that it would be a shocker for my family but I think I would be left alone since I'm not "Christian anymore". Funny stuff I know, but like I said I wouldn't do it for me, but for others to leave me alone.

Start a thread about that! It would be really good

I don't wanna start a thread about that gibberish Besides I would have to do a research cause I forgot about all that stuff since I don't "practice" it.

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Pretty confident - keenness.

If it is - nice word. That's why my placements looked weird lol.

Yeah that is the one

Your turn!

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And if you are going to sleep, good night.

Thanks, night

Well, how ironic. Instead of spreading religious goodwill, you are sowing seeds of discord among us.

What are you talking about man?! And more important to whom?!

Hit the QUOTE button next time on the post you are replying to and then ADD REPLY button.

Aha! Then I am to believe that the only thing holding you to your belief is faith and trust, due to ancestry.

BS walks and talks, so I went non-religious in order to clear any old-wives tales or similar non proof.

Um... I'm not quite sure... ? I don't have ancestry problems but my relatives do cause they cling on to those superstition that has been passed on for generations to have a sense of control in their lives I guess. If I don't do this then that surely won't happen to me. Something like that. They are also devoted Christians even though from what I do understand, Christianity has nothing to do with superstition.

This isnt something thats worth getting into.

But you cant say that baptisim and the parting of the red sea are made up and ask to prove it. Its the same as asking to disprove it. No one alive today was there to see it happen or not, and the only person that we know of that wrote about it said that it did happen.

If you believe that there is no God, then of course you wont believe in it. But if you do believe in God, then all things are possible, not just the ones that can be explained scientifically. If God made the laws of nature, then he can break them if he chooses. Its all about presuppositions.

Read my signature No braking laws of nature and who says that everything isn't possible. I don't believe in God but I do believe that anything is possible as long as it's inside the realm of science, maybe not the science we are familiar with but still within it's boundaries.

I dont think that kind of superstition has anything to do with Christianity. We're not all nuts.

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I know I wasn't saying that but some were asking me what would I accomplish by reversing baptism. Please don't make me start over repeating everything I said. I never said that those superstitions were about Christians but about the people in the rural area of MY COUNTRY and their beliefs. Not Christians cause believing in God makes perfect sense <-- sarcasm!

EDIT: Those are probably left over pagan beliefs.

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quietest--xxo

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I'll be going of to sleep soon...

Sorry, I know the question was directed at Scraff but I find it interesting because I'd like to understand more about why it creates a problem for you. Would you be given a religious burial if it were against your will? Do your family not accept the validity of your choice? In what way, practically speaking, does your status need to be changed in other people's eyes? To a large extent I see this kind of thing as not being other people's business, and I only advertise my views when I feel like it. So your viewpoint is different in an interesting way.

Pshhh... I really don't know how to put in words. It has to do with the people and their beliefs in the rural area of my country. I live in the city but the rest of my family lives in the countryside hence the different beliefs.

OK for example my aunt believes in various superstition, for example:

If you are going somewhere for example to buy something or pay the bills or whatever and if you leave your house and then remember that you forgot to take your umbrella for example and the forecast is that it'll be raining you shouldn’t go back in the house cause it’s a bad thing to do, cause she believes that in that case whatever you were about to do that day will fail. You’ll fail to buy the things you wanted and you’ll fail to pay your bills because you went back to fetch your umbrella and by the superstition it’s a bad thing to do. So you better go without your umbrella cause if you go back to get it it’s better to stay home cause nothing that you wanted to accomplish that day will be the way you wanted. So if you go back after you locked the door that day will turn into one of those days when nothing turns out the way you wanted.

I don’t believe in that superstition and I always go back when I forget something and I don’t really pay attention to how the day turns out. Sometimes I don’t get things accomplished even if I do everything right by those superstition standards (to be honest I don’t really pay attention to any of them for that matter so I don’t really know am I doing everything right by those standards?!). It’s all coincedential as far as I’m concerned.

However… if I would be going somewhere with my aunt and I remembered that I forgot something I wouldn’t have gone back into the house to get it cause she believes in that superstition. If I were alone of course I would go back in a heartbeat without thinking about the consequences of "what I've done".

(Some fine paradox could be extracted out of this gibberish )

So what would I want to accomplish with reversing baptism. Well it’s the only way they would take my atheism seriously. By they I mean my large family and they are all like my aunt, well not all of them, but a lot of them. So if I only say that I don’t believe in God, or what the bible says and the lot they would just discard that saying that I can’t say that I wasn’t baptized when I was, but by reversing baptism they would take my atheism seriously, or so I think. Of course they would be disappointed but they would take it seriously.

I really don’t know how else to explain it. I don’t wanna start listing all the crazy superstition that my aunt believes in cause this is not a tread about that (but boy you wouldn’t believe, and not just my aunt). I only used superstition as an example to try to express what I wanted to say by reversing baptism.

There…

Okay, now you're telling me you were sarcastic (lying) about the grandmother excuse? You haven't answered me multiple times. You said the reversal was for the believers and that doesn't tell me what effect it would have on the believers. When I ask what that effect would be, you tell me it's just for the look on your grandmother's face, but then admit that that's not true either. So no, you didn't answer the question of what effect you're looking for multiple times.

This is the miscommunication that I'm talking about. I answered that multiple times before you joined the thread!

Why? What did I do to deserve that? You asked a question and I attempted to answer you and needed clarification. Pardon me.

Well this little guy (emoticon) is my favorite and I like using it. I glare all the time ask anyone.

I think I made it plenty clear. What effect are you looking for in this baptism reversal?

Sounds good.

I think it's futile cause you'll find more ways do misinterpret what I said so I just don't see the point.

You really don't get my point? I've been asking repeatedly what you're trying to accomplish and then you finally answer that it's to see your grandmother's face when you tell her about a baptism reversal.

Dude the thing about my grandmother was only sarcasm...

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You've been asking about reversing baptism as if it was something you actually wanted to accomplish.

Yes if I could, but I can't.

You then asked a friend knowledgeable in theology, again, as if it were something you'd actually like to accomplish.

Yes I did.

I've been asking you what you want to accomplish in multiple posts.

Discussion. Accomplished it and I didn't have anything else to say.

Now you claim all this is just about getting a rise from your grandmother which makes zero sense in relation to the way you've been asking here and to your friend, so no, I'm not happy now.

I've been sarcastic when I mentioned my grandmother and the reason I said that was because I have answered the question you were asking me multiple times and because you weren't nice

You're either making this up now because you're embarrassed to admit reversing a baptism is nonsensical from the atheistic, rational point of view or you've been wasting everyone's time by not just telling us from the get go that you just want advice on how to torture your grandmother.

I'm never embarrassed when I'm asking questions about things that I'm not quite familiar with, and I love the old hag dearly

I didn't force you to discuss any of this here so I don't understand what the "happy now" is for.

Well I started with a glare so I thought I might end it with "happy now" - sarcasm!

Any more questions... no sarcasm this time. I just don't get what you don't get. I think that my English is pretty good but I have trouble expressing myself when it comes down to various debates so maybe sometimes I don't make quite sense, sorry...

I'll try to pull the entire thing together in one post to explain what I wanted to say about reversing baptism, is that OK?

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OK I have an 8 letter word!

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swinish it is!

It looks like we have a tie....

6:47 edit by scsw and 6:47 post by andro....

I don't think that this ever happened before!

It's a few seconds. GJ!

Anyways, andromeda, the floor's yours. I'll be tied down for a bit.

EDIT: Yep - I edited it. Great minds think alike!

Aww... thanks and thanks for the turn I'll look up a word!

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EDIT: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Not again!!!!!!!!!! Two minutes late this time

EDIT: Your edit time is as same as my post time??!!

We solved it at the same time!

How about we think of a word together??