plainglazed Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) Often with yet without reason. A poor example I know he's one. __Though may be well versed __He's not only the first To end up the same as is pleasin'. You see him quite often to perfection. Easily made though is his detection. __With him can be time __Yet hardly a crime To help obfuscate inspection. Edited July 12, 2009 by plainglazed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 New York Times crossword puzzles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 plainglazed Posted July 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Correlation? Not it but closer I think. New York Times crossword puzzles? Nope It is one word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DudleyDude Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Often with yet without reason. A poor example I know he's one. __Though may be well versed __He's not only the first To end up the same as is pleasin'. You see him quite often to perfection. Easily made though is his detection. __With him can be time __Yet hardly a crime To help obfuscate inspection. spoilers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Daaaaaaaang. I like that guess a lot. Still don't see the relation with the third and fourth lines though, but I could just be missing something. Sweet guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 plainglazed Posted July 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 spoilers Great guess. Not what I had in mind. Enjoy your vacation. Hope you get a chance to check back in. Daaaaaaaang. I like that guess a lot. Still don't see the relation with the third and fourth lines though, but I could just be missing something. Sweet guess I think those two lines and the fifth are the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) I was gonna guess assumption/estimation/speculation/postulate earlier, but maybe I wasn't. lol. Um... it's not an obscure word like farrago, is it? Expectation... exception? Outliers? They definitely qualify for "poor example" and "to perfection"... but nothing else. *my grimy hands grasp straws desperately* Edit: seeing as how the 3rd and 4th lines lose me (you never did answer me when I asked if they simply meant "he's tied with the first to please") I'm working with just "perfection" here, ha... Edited July 16, 2009 by DarthNoob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 plainglazed Posted July 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 There are so many things that could fit the second verse (from frauds to silence to bad memory), but the first verse loses me... When you say "end up the same as is pleasin'" do you mean "end up in an abbreviated form"? You probably only did it for the rhyming scheme. Does it just mean "end up pleasin'"? (I wonder if either of these could be answered without resulting in a big hint) "He's not ONLY the first, but ALSO the same..." or was there somebody tied with him in first? (this reminds me of a time I couldn't do a math problem because I couldn't figure out what the question was asking for - I thought it was a different sentence structure than it really was - and I was the only one to do the mistake. Oh, and the funny part was I was the only white boy among a bunch of Asians half of whom English is a second language. Heh) Best guess so far: excuses. Poor excuses are common, they can have reason or none, next three lines I can't make sense of with anything, then the last five make sense also. Mute? Sarcasm? To steal a guess to my Prices riddle, synonyms or homonyms? I think I already guessed "anonymity" but I'll guess it again. Hm... maybe cough or sneeze? Fits the title, and you might cough or sneeze to cover up an emotion, a facial expression. Or the mocking *cough* insult! *cough*. Instinct? Tint? Shady? Physical shade fits second verse, devious shadiness might fit first. Metaphor/simile? Rhetoric or figure of speech? Follower? I was gonna guess assumption/estimation/speculation/postulate earlier, but maybe I wasn't. lol. Um... it's not an obscure word like farrago, is it? Expectation... exception? Outliers? They definitely qualify for "poor example" and "to perfection"... but nothing else. *my grimy hands grasp straws desperately* Edit: seeing as how the 3rd and 4th lines lose me (you never did answer me when I asked if they simply meant "he's tied with the first to please") I'm working with just "perfection" here, ha... None of the above guesses are correct. Nothing is "tied" with him (the answer) in first. Unlike your math question, the unconventional interpretation may be the correct one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Often with yet without reason. A poor example I know he's one. __Though may be well versed __He's not only the first To end up the same as is pleasin'. You see him quite often to perfection. Easily made though is his detection. __With him can be time __Yet hardly a crime To help obfuscate inspection rhyme? You don't necessarily need a reason to use a certain word, if it makes the rhyme/couplet work. Some poets/riddle-writers look down on rhyming as a 'too easy' type of verse. Rhymes can still make great verse, though, this riddle isn't the first to use rhyme "to end up the same as is pleasin' " pleasin rhymes with reason... to end up the same- rhyming.. Rhymers have it down to an art (perfection). Although it appears easy to make anything rhyme in the first place, it can take time, not necessarily a bad thing, to make the riddle/poem better. Obfuscating inspection would mean muddying up the meaning of a statement when you look at it... poems and riddles, especially rhyming ones, change the order of words to suit the poem/riddle structure, not actual english grammar structure... And this is all I've managed to get for 11 pages of posts.... wish my brain still worked.... :-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 plainglazed Posted July 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) rhyme? You don't necessarily need a reason to use a certain word, if it makes the rhyme/couplet work. Some poets/riddle-writers look down on rhyming as a 'too easy' type of verse. Rhymes can still make great verse, though, this riddle isn't the first to use rhyme "to end up the same as is pleasin' " pleasin rhymes with reason... to end up the same- rhyming.. Rhymers have it down to an art (perfection). Although it appears easy to make anything rhyme in the first place, it can take time, not necessarily a bad thing, to make the riddle/poem better. Obfuscating inspection would mean muddying up the meaning of a statement when you look at it... poems and riddles, especially rhyming ones, change the order of words to suit the poem/riddle structure, not actual english grammar structure... Yes indeed. You've got it. Way to go Chess_Vixen! Often with yet without reason. common (the "often with" bit) idiom-neither rhyme nor reason. A poor example I know he's one. "he's one" is a poor rhyme with reason. __Though may be well versed poetry reference; rhyme and verse can even be synonymous __He's not only the first rhyme needs two parts, the first and To end up the same as is pleasin'. the end with a shared (same) sound thought of as plaeasing (aslo a double meaning that pleasin' ends up the same or rhymes with reason) You see him quite often to perfection. lots of good rhymes here in the Den (the You means specifically you so meant to direct as a local reference) Easily made though is his detection. obvious (easy to recognize a rhyme) __With him can be time rhyme rhymes with time __Yet hardly a crime To help obfuscate inspection. how rhymes are used here in riddledom Edited July 16, 2009 by plainglazed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Yes indeed. You've got it. Way to go Chess_Vixen! Often with yet without reason. common (the "often with" bit) idiom-neither rhyme nor reason. A poor example I know he's one. "he's one" is a poor rhyme with reason. __Though may be well versed poetry reference; rhyme and verse can even be synonymous __He's not only the first rhyme needs two parts, the first and To end up the same as is pleasin'. the end with a shared (same) sound thought of as plaeasing (aslo a double meaning that pleasin' ends up the same or rhymes with reason) You see him quite often to perfection. lots of good rhymes here in the Den (the You means specifically you so meant to direct as a local reference) Easily made though is his detection. obvious (easy to recognize a rhyme) __With him can be time rhyme rhymes with time __Yet hardly a crime To help obfuscate inspection. how rhymes are used here in riddledom wow, really? thanks! Always happy to help! YAY!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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