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If is possible to count from 0 to 100 using 4 4's for ever number

for example

0 = 4+4-4-4

1 = (4+4-4)/4

2 = (4 / 4) + (4 / 4)

3 = (4 * 4 - 4 ) / 4

4 = 4 * ( 4 - 4 ) + 4

5 = (4 * 4 + 4) / 4

6 =

7 =

8 =

9 =

10 =

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100 =

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i don't quite understand your question, but you are alound to use any combination of 4's and mathematical operators so perhaps -(sqrt(4))= -2?

Nevermind :P

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Sqrt(4) is the same thing as 4^-2, everyone is just writing it in a different form.

thats wrong

sqrt(4) =2

- sqrt(4) = -2

4^2=16

4^-2 = .0625

however sqrt(4) is the same thing as 4 ^ (1/2)

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thats wrong

sqrt(4) =2

- sqrt(4) = -2

4^2=16

4^-2 = .0625

however sqrt(4) is the same thing as 4 ^ (1/2)

Sorry, thats what I meant. So aren't we violating the rule by using square roots if its really just a substite for ^(1/2)?

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Sorry, thats what I meant. So aren't we violating the rule by using square roots if its really just a substite for ^(1/2)?

Taking that further, isn't 4/4 just a substitute for 1, and isn't 4/4+4/4 just a sustitute for 2?

I hope my extreme example shows why we can use sqrt(4) but not 4^(1/2)...we are trying to find expressions that use four 4s and no other numbers....all of them reduce (substitute) to something else (the number we are trying to obtain).

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Taking that further, isn't 4/4 just a substitute for 1, and isn't 4/4+4/4 just a sustitute for 2?

I hope my extreme example shows why we can use sqrt(4) but not 4^(1/2)...we are trying to find expressions that use four 4s and no other numbers....all of them reduce (substitute) to something else (the number we are trying to obtain).

yes and yes

the idea of this lil whatever it is, is to try and find numbers using alternative ways of created them by using four 4's, no more no less

4/4+4/4 is a perfect answer for finding the number two, and although sqrt(4) is and alternative method of 4^(1/2), the idea is to isolate your equation to strictly using only the number 4

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I'd like to point out that eventually with rounding, sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(

sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(.....sqrt(4)))))))) = 1.

So technically, you could obtain 99 by doing 4! * 4 + 4 - sqrt(sqrt(sqrt(....sqrt(4)))))), because that would equal 100 - *approximately* 1 = 99.

You could get some of the other troublesome numbers in this manner as well. But I would hope that there's a better solution than that....

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Just trying to think outside the box, but maybe I'm too far out. If we can use π, then cos(π)=-1 without having to use any 4s, so we could then take the solutions to 74, 78, 88, 94, and 100 and simply add cos(π) to get 73, 77, 87, 93, and 99. But that does seem a lot like cheating. Similarly, d/dx(x)=1 without using any 4s or any other constants like π for that matter, but still seems like cheating to take a previous solution and subtract 1 without using any additional 4s.

Another possibility would be to take the limit as x approaches 4 of x/x, which equals 1 and uses only one 4 instead of the two needed for 4/4 to make 1 and would require coming up with new ways to get to either 1 more than or 1 less than the numbers we have left without using a previous solution. So then we have:

73=4!+4!+4!+limx->4(x/x)

87=44*sqrt(4)-limx->4(x/x)

93=[4!-limx->4(x/x)]*4+limx->4(x/x)

99=(4/.4)^sqrt(4)-limx->4(x/x)

I haven't gotten 77 yet.

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OMG!! I remember doing this in 5th grade (last year)!! We got all of them except for a few. I would really like to look back and post them but i don't have my notebook. :[ i think i threw it away. some were like...IMPOSSIBLE!!!

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Just trying to think outside the box, but maybe I'm too far out. If we can use π, then cos(π)=-1 without having to use any 4s, so we could then take the solutions to 74, 78, 88, 94, and 100 and simply add cos(π) to get 73, 77, 87, 93, and 99. But that does seem a lot like cheating. Similarly, d/dx(x)=1 without using any 4s or any other constants like π for that matter, but still seems like cheating to take a previous solution and subtract 1 without using any additional 4s.

Another possibility would be to take the limit as x approaches 4 of x/x, which equals 1 and uses only one 4 instead of the two needed for 4/4 to make 1 and would require coming up with new ways to get to either 1 more than or 1 less than the numbers we have left without using a previous solution. So then we have:

73=4!+4!+4!+limx->4(x/x)

87=44*sqrt(4)-limx->4(x/x)

93=[4!-limx->4(x/x)]*4+limx->4(x/x)

99=(4/.4)^sqrt(4)-limx->4(x/x)

I haven't gotten 77 yet.

I thought about that, too. But now

a vinculum to represent a repeating decimal (I'll use an ellipsis since I don't know how to how else to type that). Then:

73 = (4!*sqrt(4) + sqrt(.4...)) / sqrt(.4...)

77 = (4/.4...)^sqrt(4) - 4

87 = (4!/.4... + 4) / sqrt(.4...)

93 = 4!*4 - sqrt(4)/sqrt(.4...)

99 = (4!*sqrt(4) - 4) / .4...

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OMG!! I remember doing this in 5th grade (last year)!! We got all of them except for a few. I would really like to look back and post them but i don't have my notebook. :[ i think i threw it away. some were like...IMPOSSIBLE!!!

I see I'm not the only middle-school-er here.

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37 39 41 71 73 77 78 79 83 85 87 93 99

left... starting to get difficult.

51 = (4!-sqrt(4))/.4 - 4

53 = (4!-sqrt(4))/.4 - sqrt(4)

57 = (4!-sqrt(4))/.4 + sqrt(4)

67 = (4!+sqrt(4))/.4 + sqrt(4)

69 = (4!+sqrt(4))/.4 + 4

74 = (4!+4)/.4 + 4

75 = (4!+sqrt(4)+4)/.4

82 = (4!-4)*4 + sqrt(4)

84 = 44*sqrt(4) - 4

86 = 44*sqrt(4) - sqrt(4)

89 = (4!+sqrt(4))/.4 + 4!

53 = 4!+ 4! + ((sqrt(4))/.4)

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