superprismatic Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Let S be the set {(x,y,z)|x,y,z are real & x+y+z=1 & 0≤x≤1 & 0≤y≤1 & 0≤z≤1} (this is the set of all discrete probability distributions on 3 outcomes). Pick a random element (a,b,c) from S, i.e., pick it in such a way that each element of S is as likely as any other of being chosen. What is the probability that (1/6)≤a≤(2/3) and (1/6)≤b≤(2/3) and (1/6)≤c≤(2/3) ? Edit: In that last sentence, I mean the joint probability that all three are true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 seems like there is a 50% chance for each individual one to be true so .5x.5x.5=.125 for all three to be true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 (edited) bobb you overlook the fact that these are [spoiler=]not independent events. ie if a = 2/3 we are good so far, however the probability going forward is not .5 * .5 as we have now limited the set of b and c to (1/6) for each. Why? Because a+b+c = 1 I'm missing something...but hey, it's still summer, right? Edited August 6, 2011 by plainglazed fixed spoiler tags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Just quick analysis:Since A+B+C =1& limitations of A,B,C, 1/3≤A+B≤5/6. Probability of this is .5. With these limitations, C must be within its specified range so my answer is 50% probability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 bonanova Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 I'm replying from my iPad on which spoilers don't seem available. So until I get to my desktop I'll just say it seems to admit use of uniform point picking and hence a ratio of two calculable quantities. SP, if this gives away too much, feel free to use your new powers to Spoiler it. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 superprismatic Posted August 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 I'm replying from my iPad on which spoilers don't seem available. So until I get to my desktop I'll just say it seems to admit use of uniform point picking and hence a ratio of two calculable quantities. SP, if this gives away too much, feel free to use your new powers to Spoiler it. ;-) I was trying to think of a good hint to get people started. I don't think I can top yours. Thanks, bonanova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 bonanova Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Back of the envelope calculation for the two-dimension case. ([16-1-2]/36) / (18/36) = 13/18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 superprismatic Posted August 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Back of the envelope calculation for the two-dimension case. ([16-1-2]/36) / (18/36) = 13/18. When I do the two-dimensional case, I get a probability of 1/3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 bonanova Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 When I do the two-dimensional case, I get a probability of 1/3. Agree. I misread the OP as {(x,y,z)|x,y,z are real & x+y+z<=1 & 0≤x≤1 & 0≤y≤1 & 0≤z≤1} Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 superprismatic Posted August 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 The correct [and much simpler] problem has an interesting property. One simply slices 1/6 from each edge and 1/3 from each vertex of an equilateral triangle and finds that 1/4 of the area remains. If the points are spread equally over the triangle [OP] then the joint probability is .25. Interestingly, the 1/3 cuts don't have to be made. That is, the probability that (1/6)≤a≤(2/3) and (1/6)≤b≤(2/3) and (1/6)≤c≤(2/3) is the same as the probability that (1/6)≤a and (1/6)≤b and (1/6)≤c. I didn't think anyone would notice that the 1/3 cuts are implied by the 1/6 ones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 bonanova Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 My post was edited and quoted at the same time - matter hits antimatter - and was anihilated. Reconstructing ... The correct [and much simpler] problem has an interesting property. One simply slices 1/6 from each edge [purple shaded area] and 1/3 from each vertex [green shaded area] of an equilateral triangle and finds [by counting elemental triangles] that 9/36 = 1/4 of the area remains. If the points are spread equally over the triangle [OP] then the joint probability is .25. Interestingly, the 1/3 [green] cuts don't have to be made. The green area lies entirely within the purple area. Which means, the probability that (1/6)≤a≤(2/3) and (1/6)≤b≤(2/3) and (1/6)≤c≤(2/3) is the same as the probability that (1/6)≤a and (1/6)≤b and (1/6)≤c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Let S be the set {(x,y,z)|x,y,z are real & x+y+z=1 & 0≤x≤1 & 0≤y≤1 & 0≤z≤1}
(this is the set of all discrete probability distributions on 3 outcomes).
Pick a random element (a,b,c) from S, i.e., pick it in such a way that each
element of S is as likely as any other of being chosen. What is the
probability that (1/6)≤a≤(2/3) and (1/6)≤b≤(2/3) and (1/6)≤c≤(2/3) ?
Edit: In that last sentence, I mean the joint probability that all three are true.
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