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Wheel of Time Mafia will be based on the late Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series.

Goodies:

Rand al'Thor - Dragon Reborn. Has a 25% chance to discover a clue about the Forsaken every DAY. Can block any player every night. Limited BTSC with Mat/Perrin.

Mat Cauthon - Cannot be killed by Padan Fain. 50% chance to avoid death if targeted. 50% chance to reveal attacker. 50% chance to escape if captured. Limited BTSC with Rand/Perrin.

Perrin Aybara - Kill every even night. Spy every odd night. Cannot be fooled. Limited BTSC with Rand/Mat.

Moiraine Damodred - Aes Sedai. Dies in place of Dragon Reborn. Kills any Forsaken that kills her this way. BTSC with al'Lan Mandragoran.

al'Lan Mandragoran - Warder. Kills every night.

Egwene al'Vere - Aes Sedai. Dreamer.

Elayne Trakand - Aes Sedai. Vote counts as x0, x1 or x2.

Elmindreda (Min) Farshaw - Spy every night. 25% chance of not being fooled.

Nyneave al'Meara - Aes Sedai. Healer.

Aviendha - Can block an Aes Sedai every night. Dreamer.

Elaida a'Roihan - Amyrlin Seat. Aes Sedai. View target's actions odd nights. Capture player even days.

Indies:

Padan Fain - Kill each night.

Pedron Niall - Capture each day. 50% chance to learn role. Cannot be fooled. Aes Sedai killed if Pedron Niall learns their role in this way.

Forsaken:

Father of Lies - Dreamer. Cannot exit Tel'aran'rhiod. Can resurrect one Forsaken every 3rd night. That player's resurrection is not revealed until they take an action. Limit three.

Nae'blis - Aes Sedai. Change one player's target each night.

Aran'gar - Aes Sedai. Dreamer. Know one player's actions each night.

Mesaana - Aes Sedai. Dreamer. Make player appear good / bad.

Special Abilities:

Aes Sedai:

Aes Sedai have the ability to weave. Any Aes Sedai targeted by an Aes Sedai will know that an Aes Sedai has targeted her. Any Aes Sedai targeted by a Dreamer during the night can either be spied (can be fooled) or captured.

Dreamer:

Dreamers have the ability to enter Tel'aran'rhiod. Any Dreamer who enters Tel'aran'rhiod during the night cannot be targeted by a non-Dreamer that night. Dreamers may not be in Tel'aran'rhiod more than one night in a row. Use of the Dreamer ability negates a player's other abilities for the night.

Tel'aran'rhiod:

The world of dreams. Any player in Tel'aran'rhiod cannot be effected by a player outside Tel'aran'rhiod. The Father of Lies can only effect Tel'aran'rhiod. The Dragon Reborn can effect players inside Tel'aran'rhiod.

Warder:

Warders are the personal bodyguards of Aes Sedai. When Moiraine Damodred dies, al'Lan Mandragoran is bonded by Nyneave al'Meara, if both still live. Nyneave and Lan gain BTSC. When Nyneave al'Meara dies, her attacker and al'Lan Mandragoran die if they are bonded.

Limited BTSC:

Rand, Mat and Perrin have a limited form of BTSC. The host will decide what information will be communicated between the three, and will PM each of them with a dream that the others have that indicate some clue as to what the others were up to that night.

Wincon:

Goodies: Kill all Forsaken and Padan Fain.

Forsaken: Kill all players. Padan Fain may remain alive.

Padan Fain: Kill Dragon Reborn, Father of Lies and Nae'blis.

Pedron Niall: Kill every Aes Sedai, Father of Lies and Padan Fain.

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Roles are still being finalized, but signups can begin for interested persons.

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<P>I'm hoping to kick this off sometime in mid-January.</P>

Edited December 15, 2009 by Medji

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Goodies:

Rand al'Thor - Dragon Reborn. Has a 25% chance to discover a clue about the Forsaken every DAY. Can block any player every night. Cannot die while Moiraine is alive.

Mat Cauthon - Cannot be killed by Padan Fain. 50% chance to avoid death if targeted. 50% chance to reveal attacker. 50% chance to escape if captured.

Perrin Aybara - Kill every even night. Spy every odd night.

Moiraine Damodred - Aes Sedai. BTSC with al'Lan Mandragoran.

al'Lan Mandragoran - Warder. Kills every night.

Egwene al'Vere - Aes Sedai. Dreamer. Can enter Tel'aran'rhiod every night.

Elayne Trakand - Aes Sedai. Vote counts as x0, x1 or x2.

Elmindreda (Min) Farshaw - Spy every night. 25% chance of being fooled.

Nyneave al'Meara - Aes Sedai. Healer.

Aviendha - Is included in Aes Sedai BTSC. Can block an Aes Sedai every night. Dreamer.

Elaida a'Roihan - Amyrlin Seat. Aes Sedai. View target's actions odd nights. Capture player even days.

Indies:

Padan Fain - Kill each night.

Pedron Niall - Capture each day. 50% chance to learn role. Aes Sedai killed if Pedron Niall learns their role in this way.

Forsaken:

Father of Lies - Dreamer. Cannot exit Tel'aran'rhiod. Can resurrect one Forsaken every 3rd night. That player's resurrection is not revealed until they take an action.

Nae'blis - Aes Sedai. Change one player's target each night.

Aran'gar - Aes Sedai. Dreamer. Know one player's actions each night.

Mesaana - Aes Sedai. Dreamer. Make player appear good / bad.

Osan'gar - Kills every odd night

Special Abilities:

Aes Sedai:

Aes Sedai have the ability to weave. Any Aes Sedai targeted by an Aes Sedai will know that an Aes Sedai has targeted her. All Aes Sedai have BTSC with each other (both baddies and goodies and Aviendha). Any Aes Sedai targeted by a Dreamer during the night can either be spied (can be fooled) or captured.

Dreamer:

Dreamers have the ability to enter Tel'aran'rhiod. Any Dreamer who enters Tel'aran'rhiod during the night cannot be targeted by a non-Dreamer that night. Dreamers may not be in Tel'aran'rhiod more than one night in a row. (Exception- Egwene) Use of the Dreamer ability negates a player's other abilities for the night. Rand can affect players inside Tel'aran'rhiod.

Warder:

Warders are the personal bodyguards of Aes Sedai. When Moiraine Damodred dies, al'Lan Mandragoran is bonded by Nyneave al'Meara, if both still live. Nyneave and Lan gain BTSC. When Nyneave al'Meara dies, her attacker and al'Lan Mandragoran die if they are bonded.

Limited BTSC:

Rand, Mat and Perrin have a limited form of BTSC. The hosts will decide what information will be communicated between the three, and will PM each of them with a dream that the others have that indicate some clue as to what the others were up to that night.

Wincon:

Goodies: Kill all Forsaken and Padan Fain.

Forsaken: Kill all players. Padan Fain may remain alive.

Padan Fain: Kill Rand, Father of Lies and Nae'blis.

Pedron Niall: Kill every Aes Sedai, Father of Lies and Padan Fain.

If Medji approves, these are finalized roles.

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nvm thse are probably going to be tweaked a little

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Wheel of Time Mafia will be based on the late Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. These will be the final roles.

Goodies:

Rand al'Thor - (m) Dragon Reborn. Has a 25% chance to discover a clue about the Forsaken every DAY. Can block any player every night. Cannot die while Moiraine lives. Limited BTSC with Mat/Perrin.

Mat Cauthon - (m) Cannot be killed by Padan Fain. 50% chance to avoid death if targeted. 50% chance to reveal attacker. 50% chance to escape if captured. Limited BTSC with Rand/Perrin.

Perrin Aybara - (m) Can kill every even night. Spy every odd night. Cannot be fooled. Limited BTSC with Rand/Mat.

Moiraine Damodred - (f) Aes Sedai. BTSC with al'Lan Mandragoran.

al'Lan Mandragoran - (m) Warder. Can kill every night.

Egwene al'Vere - (f) Aes Sedai. Dreamer. Can know one target's actions. Can enter Tel'aran'rhiod every night. Knows who entered Tel'aran'rhiod that night.

Elayne Trakand - (f) Aes Sedai. Vote counts as x0, x1 or x2.

Elmindreda (Min) Farshaw - (f) Spy every night. 25% chance of not being fooled.

Nyneave al'Meara - (f) Aes Sedai. Can save on person from death every night.

Aviendha - (f) Aes Sedai. Dreamer. Can block an Aes Sedai every night.

Elaida a'Roihan - (f) Amyrlin Seat. Aes Sedai. View target's actions odd nights. Capture player even days.

Indies:

Padan Fain - (m) Must kill each night.

Pedron Niall - (m) Capture each day. 50% chance to learn role. Cannot be fooled. Aes Sedai killed if Pedron Niall learns their role in this way.

Forsaken:

Father of Lies - (m) Dreamer. Cannot exit Tel'aran'rhiod. Can resurrect one Forsaken every 3rd night. That player's resurrection is not revealed until they take an action. Limit three.

Nae'blis - (m) Aes Sedai. Change one player's target each night.

Aran'gar - (f) Aes Sedai. Dreamer. Know one player's actions each night.

Osan'gar - (m) Aes Sedai. Dreamer. Can kill every odd night.

Mesaana - (f) Aes Sedai. Dreamer. Make player appear good / bad.

Special Abilities:

Aes Sedai:

Aes Sedai have the ability to weave. Any Aes Sedai targeted by an Aes Sedai will know that an Aes Sedai has targeted her, but not who. All Aes Sedai (Goodies and Forsaken) have BTSC with each other.

Dreamer:

Dreamers have the ability to enter Tel'aran'rhiod. Any Dreamer who enters Tel'aran'rhiod during the night cannot be targeted that night except by Rand, Egwene, Perrin and the Father of Lies. Dreamers may not be in Tel'aran'rhiod more than one night in a row, except Egwene. Use of the Dreamer ability negates a player's other abilities for the night.

Tel'aran'rhiod:

The world of dreams. Any player in Tel'aran'rhiod cannot be effected by a player outside Tel'aran'rhiod. The Father of Lies can only effect Tel'aran'rhiod. The Dragon Reborn and Perrin can effect players inside Tel'aran'rhiod.

Warder:

Warders are the personal bodyguards of Aes Sedai. When Moiraine Damodred dies, al'Lan Mandragoran is bonded by Nyneave al'Meara, if both still live. Nyneave and Lan gain BTSC. When Nyneave al'Meara dies, her attacker and al'Lan Mandragoran die if they are bonded.

Limited BTSC:

Rand, Mat and Perrin have a limited form of BTSC. The host will decide what information will be communicated between the three, and will PM each of them with a dream that the others have that indicate some clue as to what the others were up to that night.

Wincon:

Goodies: Kill all Forsaken and Padan Fain.

Forsaken: Kill all players. Padan Fain may remain alive.

Padan Fain: Kill Dragon Reborn, Father of Lies and Nae'blis.

Pedron Niall: Kill every Aes Sedai, Father of Lies and Padan Fain.

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A couple of basic rules:

1) In the case of a tie vote, random numbers will be chosen to lynch n-1 players. This means for a 2 way tie, 1 player dies. For a three way tie, 2 players die, etc.

2) Inactivity results in n^2 votes being applied to you during the day. First time 1 vote, second time 4, third time 9, etc.

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So...let me get this straight -

All players have contact in the main thread (11 goodies, 2 indies, 5 baddies).

Mat, Rand, and Perrin have contact through the host as well. (They don't know who each other are, but can send censored messages to each other through the host).

Moiraine, Egwene, Elayne, Nuneave, Aviendha, Elaida, Nae'blis, Aran'gar, Osan'gar, Messana have contact BTSC, know who each other are (know all the members of Aes Sedai), but don't know goodie from baddie. (In other words, this group consists of 6 goodies and 4 baddies who are basically playing a sub-mafia)

Moiraine and al'Lan have contact with each other as well (know who each other are and each other's role)

Father of Lies has no BTSC but knows the identies of the other 4 Foresaken.

Questions

if Egwene enters Tel'aran'rhiod, does she still know who else entered Tel'aran'rhiod (looks like no but...)

Are there any rules regarding times of BTSC and/or Main Thread? (i.e. is BTSC lost during the day, is the thread "locked" during the night...etc).

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One more question about the Dreamers:

I presume the sequence for a dreamer goes like this:

Night 1: Enter Tel'aran'rhiod

-- Can only be affected by Rand, Perrin, Father of Lies

Start of Day X: Exit's Tel'aran'rhiod

Ok...It looks like the only way the Father of Lies can die at night is by Perrin, otherwise he must be lynched (since he cannot leave Tel'aran'rhiod). In addition, Pedron can never learn the Father of Lies identity via a capture.

And a couple more...can Pedron's capture be blocked (since it is a day action)...and...is the captured player "kidnapped" for the day..(not lynchable, no vote, no daytime conversation etc....)

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So...let me get this straight -

All players have contact in the main thread (11 goodies, 2 indies, 5 baddies).

Mat, Rand, and Perrin have contact through the host as well. (They don't know who each other are, but can send censored messages to each other through the host).

They don't send censored messages to each other. The host sends "dreams" to each to determine small and hopefully confusing clues as to the actions that the others took that night.

Moiraine, Egwene, Elayne, Nuneave, Aviendha, Elaida, Nae'blis, Aran'gar, Osan'gar, Messana have contact BTSC, know who each other are (know all the members of Aes Sedai), but don't know goodie from baddie. (In other words, this group consists of 6 goodies and 4 baddies who are basically playing a sub-mafia)

Essentially, yes. Nobody will know anybody else's roles or alignment unless they know it from an outside source.

Moiraine and al'Lan have contact with each other as well (know who each other are and each other's role)

Yes. This BTSC switches over to Lan and Nyneave if neither of them are dead before Moiraine.

Father of Lies has no BTSC but knows the identies of the other 4 Foresaken.

Father of Lies, who I will probably refer to also as Ba'alzamon, Shai'tan or the Dark One, knows every role in the Forsaken's team. He is sealed in the Bore by the seals made by the coordination of the strongest of male and female Aes Sedai all over the world during the Age of Legends. He exists only in Tel'aran'rhiod, and because of his seals is not able to communicate directly with the rest of the Forsaken (who do have their own BTSC).

Questions

if Egwene enters Tel'aran'rhiod, does she still know who else entered Tel'aran'rhiod (looks like no but...)

This is a passive ability that is always in effect. Egwene will always know every PLAYER that entered Tel'aran'rhiod, regardless of whether she chooses to be there or not.

Are there any rules regarding times of BTSC and/or Main Thread? (i.e. is BTSC lost during the day, is the thread "locked" during the night...etc).

Players are not able to communicate during the night unless they have a night action. Otherwise they are presumed to be asleep. Dreamers with BTSC that choose to Dream lose the ability to communicate with players that have not chosen to Dream. They can still BTSC with Dreamers that are Dreaming.

One more question about the Dreamers:

I presume the sequence for a dreamer goes like this:

Night 1: Enter Tel'aran'rhiod

-- Can only be affected by Rand, Perrin, Father of Lies and Egwene.

Start of Day X: Exit's Tel'aran'rhiod

Correct.

Ok...It looks like the only way the Father of Lies can die at night is by Perrin, otherwise he must be lynched (since he cannot leave Tel'aran'rhiod). In addition, Pedron can never learn the Father of Lies identity via a capture.

Correct. Pedron Niall is, in effect, the leader of a warrior caste who thinks that any use of the One Power (the ability to weave) is a sign that that person is beholden to the Father of Lies. As such, his goal is to kill anybody he thinks is a Darkfriend. Without the ability to touch the One Power, however (or certain abilities that grand Perrin the ability to touch Tel'aran'rhiod), there is no way to kill the Father of Lies. In this manner, he relies upon the goodies to kill the Father of Lies. This means that there is an indy that is 'spun' towards the goodies. Padan Fain is an indy that is 'spun' towards the baddies.

And a couple more...can Pedron's capture be blocked (since it is a day action)...and...is the captured player "kidnapped" for the day..(not lynchable, no vote, no daytime conversation etc....)

The captured player is kept in jail and questioned by the inquisition. They are tortured in an attempt to obtain information, which may or may not be successful, and unless they confess (killed for being Aes Sedai) they are released at the end of that day. There are no day blocking abilities. In the case that the Amyrlin Seat captures Pedron Niall or vice versa, both captures take effect.

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You said:

Moiraine, Egwene, Elayne, Nuneave, Aviendha, Elaida, Nae'blis, Aran'gar, Osan'gar, Messana have contact BTSC, know who each other are (know all the members of Aes Sedai), but don't know goodie from baddie. (In other words, this group consists of 6 goodies and 4 baddies who are basically playing a sub-mafia)

Essentially, yes. Nobody will know anybody else's roles or alignment unless they know it from an outside source.

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Father of Lies has no BTSC but knows the identies of the other 4 Foresaken.

Father of Lies, who I will probably refer to also as Ba'alzamon, Shai'tan or the Dark One, knows every role in the Forsaken's team. He is sealed in the Bore by the seals made by the coordination of the strongest of male and female Aes Sedai all over the world during the Age of Legends. He exists only in Tel'aran'rhiod, and because of his seals is not able to communicate directly with the rest of the Forsaken (who do have their own BTSC).

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You mean the Forsaken have their own BTSC - which includes the other members of Aes Sedai as well (i.e. they don't have their own BTSC), right?

It will be interesting to see how all the BTSC is managed in this game

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Figured I may as well sign up even though it'll be a while

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You mean the Forsaken have their own BTSC - which includes the other members of Aes Sedai as well (i.e. they don't have their own BTSC), right?

It will be interesting to see how all the BTSC is managed in this game

Two different groups, the Forsaken and the Aes Sedai, have BTSC. Father of Lies is not included. As many of the Forsaken are Aes Sedai, they will have access to both.

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This game looks far more complicated than what I am used to. But what the 'ell...

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Two different groups, the Forsaken and the Aes Sedai, have BTSC. Father of Lies is not included. As many of the Forsaken are Aes Sedai, they will have access to both.

Umm looking at the final RD's you posted...*all* of the Foresaken are Aes Sedai (with the exception of the Father of Lies). In addition, the only Foresaken that not a dreamer is Nae'blis

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Umm looking at the final RD's you posted...*all* of the Foresaken are Aes Sedai (with the exception of the Father of Lies). In addition, the only Foresaken that not a dreamer is Nae'blis

Essentially, yes. However, there are still worries with the non-Aes Sedai. There are three "badguys" for the goodies to worry about that are not Aes Sedai, if you include the indies, and there are 4 non-Dreamers to worry about.

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Just a few clear-ups here...

Dreaming also negates any BTSC.

Egwene is PMed the roles that dreamed that night, not their identities.

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I played once, over a year ago, and I sucked. So I thought, "Why not join a game that has to do with a series I've intended to read but never have, full of fictional names I can't pronounce?"

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Izzy's been telling me for ages that I should play Mafia, so I'll try it with this one.

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aka confirmed. It's waiting that will kill me.

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Izzy's been telling me for ages that I should play Mafia, so I'll try it with this one.

Well, Moosh, it's good to have you. Don't get too discouraged if you die, though. Everyone gets to be dead at some point or another.