I agree. My only point was that being a jack a** doesn't help win an arguement and that it tends to be counter productive. I know atheism is a general term but it still categorizes a common point of veiw. Its not much different than the term theist. Theists fall into half a billion different categories but are still labeled under one banner.
(tawanna @ Aug 10 2008, 09:43 PM) *
So far the insults, ridicule, and sheer smugness of some of the people that post on this thread hasn't done much to bolster the atheist view point of this quasi-theist.
<shrug> Can't speak for anyone else.
There is no "Atheist view point" Atheism is simply not-theism. To call one an atheist is simply ti say that they are not a theist - not a god believer. It is not that I as an Atheist have any particular beliefs or viewpoints, but simply that I do not absribe, accept as true, one particlaur type of belief - God-belief.
I tend to use the word proof and evidence interchangeably. My mistake. I have never tried to prove there is a god because it pointless same as proving theres not. I'm all about logic but one mans logic is another mans fallacy.
1. The Burden of proof is on the one with the positive claim.
2. You are asking the wrong guy - I make no claim that god does not exist, merely that there is no reason to believe this ridiculous God-hypothesis is at all true. There is simply no evidence of Reason to believe it.
3. There is a saying, a cliché: You can't prove a negative. Perhaps not strictly true, but it has real truth value. Proving God exists should be relatively easy - produce him. But proving he doesn't exist would be much more difficult - how could one do it? Show he is not to be found in every single corner of the entire universe? (We know even that, which is pretty much impossible anyway, wouldn't suffice)
I find it ironic that alot of people that don't believe in God don't hesitate to have their chakras aligned, will move chairs because the feng shuei is off or plan their day around the movement of stars.
For many people science is their religion and too many aspects of it are based on feelings and speculation and not on facts. Y2K for example was based on a plausible theory and then taken over by psuedo science and turn into a mokery. The majority of experts agreed that the sky was falling and beat the same drum day after day. They were wrong. Any remotely intelligent person should have known it was a fraud but the"experts" said it was true and therefor no amount of proof or logic would change their mind. There are countless examples of science leading people astray every bit as much as religion has.
I know two wrongs don't make a right but thats my basis for being as skeptical about science as I am about religion. Too much has to be accepted with out independant verification and hence blind faith.
I will go to each and every link you posted and look at the info provided. Chances are I'll learn something new.
My prpose of being on this thread is to find points to ponder and you've given me a few.