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Crocodile Sophism


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#231 DJ71109

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 07:12 PM

You are all wrong guys..

Here is the answer:
Spoiler for real answer

The lady should tell the crocodile: "You will eat my child"

*if the crocodile eats the child, then the lady is correct and the crocodile must give back her child right?
*but if the crocodile eats the child, the crocodile is contradicting what he just told the lady... because the lady just answered his question correctly. right folks?

SEE?? this just a simple paradox.. :))
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#232 Kitsunexen

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 10:17 PM

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Crocodile Sophism - Back to the Paradoxes

A slim crocodile living in Nile took a child. Mother begged to give him back. The crocodile could not only talk, he was also a great sophist, and so he stated: "If you guess (Edited: predict the fate = guess correctly), what I will do with him, I will return him. However, if you don't guess his fate I'll eat him." What statement shall the mother make to save her child (what about a vicious circle ...)?


This one is simple once you get it. All the Mother has to say is that the crocidile will eat the child. He cant say its wrong because if he did he would eat the child proving she was right.
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#233 stavros

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 04:52 PM

Crocodile Sophism - Back to the Paradoxes

A slim crocodile living in Nile took a child. Mother begged to give him back. The crocodile could not only talk, he was also a great sophist, and so he stated: "If you guess (Edited: predict the fate = guess correctly), what I will do with him, I will return him. However, if you don't guess his fate I'll eat him." What statement shall the mother make to save her child (what about a vicious circle ...)?

The mother will say:You will give him back to me.
And croc will give her child back cause a sophistic crocodile cannot eat a babe.It's about manners of a sophist(they don'y heart anything except their brain)
i hope you undertood my Answweer
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#234 biggie8800

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 09:37 AM

LMAO!!! your all wrong. the closest one to this logical answer is conga. The problem with you guys who are saying that all you have to do is guess is that your not looking close enough at the wording. The conflict states that she has to guess the fate not guess at the fate. If she guesses wrong the child will be eaten. The only way to save the child is to state to the croc that he will not return the child, regardless of what he does with him. by making this statement she seals the childs fate. If the statement is true, then the croc cannot eat the child because she was right and he has to return the child per the agreement which makes her statement false. If the statement is false, then he has to return the child which leads to the conclusion that her guess was actually incorrect with what he would do with the child. Thus this is a paradox because if her statement is true it becomes false upon the crocs action and if the statement is false, the croc actions cannot harm the child forcing him to return it thus making her guess wrong which would allow the croc to eat the child, again creating the issue of the mother being right with her guess. It is a loop paradox and there is no correct answer.
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#235 biggie8800

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 09:40 AM

and an after thought for you people who keep referring to it as a simple paradox, a paradox has no correct definite answer. That is what makes it a paradox.
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#236 kresho

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 08:32 PM

I don't think that this is a paradox. It sounds like one. The word "guess" doesn't belong because there is nothing to guess about. This is more like an 'Honestant and Swindicant' problem becuase the mother either says "crocodile gives the child back" and the croc does it or the croc "deceives" the woman and eats the child.



I am with you but i think she should say you will eat him
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#237 AnnaNushka

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 08:28 PM

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Edited by AnnaNushka, 04 October 2010 - 08:31 PM.

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#238 solongandty

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 03:53 AM

It reminds me of the one guard lies one guard tells truth guarding door to death/life question. But seeing as I am still new to this I'll skip the intellectual bit
Spoiler for and choose:

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#239 Adom

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 08:12 AM

Remember, the crocodile is a Sophist! That's the key word here.
"What should the mother say to SAVE her child?"

Scenario #1
Mother's response may vary from: "You will give me back the child." to "You will send the child to boarding school in Oklahoma." Or "You will morph into a cyborg crocodile astronaut and drop the child off at the moon on your way to Mars." (Strictly speaking, any response different from scenario #2 is trivial and isn't even worth discussing)
Consequence #1: Crocodile eats child! In hindsight, we can see that the mother's prediction was false. This justifies the crocodile's action.

Scenario #2
Mother's response: "You will eat the child."
Consequence #2a: Crocodile eats child! In hindsight, we can see that the mother's prediction was right. Unfortunately, there is no child to be returned to her at this point. The mother's correct prediction is, in itself, the action that precludes her from reaping the promised benefits of said prediction. Therein lies the sophist paradox (no pun intended)!

Scenario #3
Mother does not respond.
Consequence #3: Unknown! The crocodile does not specifically say what'll happen to the child in this scenario.
This should be the favored response. Think of it as refraining from picking A or B (both of which are incorrect) on a 2-option multiple choice question where the classic "None of the above" was omitted.
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#240 jinyx

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 06:26 PM

She should answer that the crocodile will not return the child so that even if it is wrong it will be right
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