Guest Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 They did what was best for us, and they made us whole, but after all these years, we have to pay our toll. They who cared for us, and raised us from the seeds, left behind the message of selfishness and greed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 have something to do with the fact that he did not oppose slavery and had several of his own slaves, all while preaching about the equality of men?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) Not necessarily. It's just hard to look at him in that light, as we have always been taught otherwise. That might be the problem. What's taught in school and truth don't always intersect. Well it would be hard for me to think of him that way too. That's not what I'm telling you to do. Edited July 27, 2009 by txmom2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 have something to do with the fact that he did not oppose slavery and had several of his own slaves, all while preaching about the equality of men?? I did not know that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Abraham Lincoln proclaimed emancipation, but that was legal equality. He wasn't thinking about social equality, because he was racist too. And his Emancipation Proclamation only applied to southern states in rebellion, allowing slavery to continue in the border states. Robert E. Lee was and is way overrated. Most of the battles he won, he had an overwhelming advantage. Grant got the undeserved name of the "butcher" for killing his own men, when it was really Robert E Lee that brought his own men's body count high. And the biggest, most important battle of his career, he screwed up. Many presidents have turned their eyes away from the slaughter of Native Americans. Woodrow Wilson praised Birth of a Nation, which glorified the Klu Klux Klan. The Klu Klux Klan was decimated when one guy revealed all of it's child-like secret rituals to a children's radio show (which I think I learned about reading one of Malcom Gladwell's fascinating books). ANYWAY Maybe the last line is just a reference to Manifest Destiny? That's a little later though, I think, esp. around Polk. Washington, in his farewell address, warned against 2 things: getting involved with foreign nations, and partisanship. I don't see how either could be construed as selfish or greedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Abraham Lincoln proclaimed emancipation, but that was legal equality. He wasn't thinking about social equality, because he was racist too. And his Emancipation Proclamation only applied to southern states in rebellion, allowing slavery to continue in the border states. Robert E. Lee was and is way overrated. Most of the battles he won, he had an overwhelming advantage. Grant got the undeserved name of the "butcher" for killing his own men, when it was really Robert E Lee that brought his own men's body count high. And the biggest, most important battle of his career, he screwed up. Many presidents have turned their eyes away from the slaughter of Native Americans. Woodrow Wilson praised Birth of a Nation, which glorified the Klu Klux Klan. The Klu Klux Klan was decimated when one guy revealed all of it's child-like secret rituals to a children's radio show (which I think I learned about reading one of Malcom Gladwell's fascinating books). ANYWAY Maybe the last line is just a reference to Manifest Destiny? That's a little later though, I think, esp. around Polk. Washington, in his farewell address, warned against 2 things: getting involved with foreign nations, and partisanship. I don't see how either could be construed as selfish or greedy. Wow! alot of things I didn't know and probably won't remember tomorrow. Any how, what I'm looking for has nothing to do with history. It didn't even happen during his life time. History is my worst subject, so don't guess like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 college,high school, business school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 college,high school, business school No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 No one knows the last line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Our founders where merchants that did not want to pay the high taxes but they soon taxed their citizens.The only other thing I can think of.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 It was the freemasons. "Freemasonry opens doors!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 (edited) Our founders where merchants that did not want to pay the high taxes but they soon taxed their citizens.The only other thing I can think of.... sort of on the right track... Edited August 1, 2009 by txmom2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Declaration of Independence..the Founding Fathers?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Declaration of Independence..the Founding Fathers?! let's just say the second ones it. you wan't me to tell you the last line (even though that was kind of the whole point of the riddle)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 (edited) from post #13 the Founding Fathers....now the explaination....In 1690 colonies began issuing paper money which was based on foreign currencies. In 1775 the US created what was called the continental currency, but that currency failed because it was backed only by the anticipation of tax revenue and because it could be easily counterfeited. In 1785 the dollar was created and became the official currency of the US, but no coins were created until 1793 and no "true" bills were created until 1861. So the first true american currency was created in 1775 puttin it about the same time as they sign the Declaration of Independence Putting them both together...... Edited August 12, 2009 by Juskiknback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 from post #13 the Founding Fathers....now the explaination....In 1690 colonies began issuing paper money which was based on foreign currencies. In 1775 the US created what was called the continental currency, but that currency failed because it was backed only by the anticipation of tax revenue and because it could be easily counterfeited. In 1785 the dollar was created and became the official currency of the US, but no coins were created until 1793 and no "true" bills were created until 1861. So to answer your question the first true american currency was created in 1775 Putting them both together...... umm...like I said history's not my best subject, on the right track but way simpler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 EDM Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) They did what was best for us, and they made us whole, but after all these years, we have to pay our toll. They who cared for us, and raised us from the seeds, left behind the message of selfishness and greed. our ancestors who fought wars and used up resources to build a country and become horribly wealthy (aka - filthy rich).....???? Edited August 13, 2009 by EDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 our ancestors who fought wars and used up resources to build a country and become horribly wealthy (aka - filthy rich).....???? on the right track but not what I was looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 EDM Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 pilgrims...??? or civilians....??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 pilgrims...??? or civilians....??? Now you're on the wrong track again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) They did what was best for us, and they made us whole, but after all these years, we have to pay our toll. They who cared for us, and raised us from the seeds, left behind the message of selfishness and greed. I think I maight actually knowparents Edited August 13, 2009 by cjstone314 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 the english. that is where our country first was ruled from(i couldn't figure out how to word that.) or how about the naitve americans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DudleyDude Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I thought that the answer was either Founding Fathers or specifically Washington and we just need to tie that to the last line of the riddle. So I'll guess that the connection between the founding fathers and the greed statement is that so many of them are pictured on US currency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I thought that the answer was either Founding Fathers or specifically Washington and we just need to tie that to the last line of the riddle. So I'll guess that the connection between the founding fathers and the greed statement is that so many of them are pictured on US currency. Finally! that's exactly what I was looking for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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They did what was best for us, and they made us whole,
but after all these years, we have to pay our toll.
They who cared for us, and raised us from the seeds,
left behind the message of selfishness and greed.
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