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Just something I came across and wondered what people think. or what is your reaction to this.. focussing to hard, not correctly guidid, standards/schievements pushed... Is it the motivation, the goal or the expectaton as well as peer/parent pressure (or the ability to be outstandingly clever in BraindDen :) )

By LINDSEY TANNER – 2 days ago

CHICAGO (AP) — Almost one in five young American adults has a personality disorder that interferes with everyday life, and even more abuse alcohol or drugs, researchers reported Monday in the most extensive study of its kind.

The disorders include problems such as obsessive or compulsive tendencies and anti-social behavior that can sometimes lead to violence. The study also found that fewer than 25 percent of college-aged Americans with mental problems get treatment.

One expert said personality disorders may be overdiagnosed. But others said the results were not surprising since previous, less rigorous evidence has suggested mental problems are common on college campuses and elsewhere.

Experts praised the study's scope — face-to-face interviews about numerous disorders with more than 5,000 young people ages 19 to 25 — and said it spotlights a problem college administrators need to address.

Study co-author Dr. Mark Olfson of Columbia University and New York State Psychiatric Institute called the widespread lack of treatment particularly worrisome. He said it should alert not only "students and parents, but also deans and people who run college mental health services about the need to extend access to treatment."

Counting substance abuse, the study found that nearly half of young people surveyed have some sort of psychiatric condition, including students and non-students.

Personality disorders were the second most common problem behind drug or alcohol abuse as a single category. The disorders include obsessive, anti-social and paranoid behaviors that are not mere quirks but actually interfere with ordinary functioning.

The study authors noted that recent tragedies such as fatal shootings at Northern Illinois University and Virginia Tech have raised awareness about the prevalence of mental illness on college campuses.

They also suggest that this age group might be particularly vulnerable.

"For many, young adulthood is characterized by the pursuit of greater educational opportunities and employment prospects, development of personal relationships, and for some, parenthood," the authors said. These circumstances, they said, can result in stress that triggers the start or recurrence of psychiatric problems.

The study was released Monday in Archives of General Psychiatry. It was based on interviews with 5,092 young adults in 2001 and 2002.

Olfson said it took time to analzye the data, including weighting the results to extrapolate national numbers. But the authors said the results would probably hold true today.

The study was funded with grants from the National Institutes of Health, the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and the New York Psychiatric Institute.

Dr. Sharon Hirsch, a University of Chicago psychiatrist not involved in the study, praised it for raising awareness about the problem and the high numbers of affected people who don't get help.

Imagine if more than 75 percent of diabetic college students didn't get treatment, Hirsch said. "Just think about what would be happening on our college campuses."

The results highlight the need for mental health services to be housed with other medical services on college campuses, to erase the stigma and make it more likely that people will seek help, she said.

In the study, trained interviewers, but not psychiatrists, questioned participants about symptoms. They used an assessment tool similar to criteria doctors use to diagnose mental illness.

Dr. Jerald Kay, a psychiatry professor at Wright State University and chairman of the American Psychiatric Association's college mental health committee, said the assessment tool is considered valid and more rigorous than self-reports of mental illness. He was not involved in the study.

Personality disorders showed up in similar numbers among both students and non-students, including the most common one, obsessive compulsive personality disorder. About 8 percent of young adults in both groups had this illness, which can include an extreme preoccupation with details, rules, orderliness and perfectionism.

Kay said the prevalence of personality disorders was higher than he would expect and questioned whether the condition might be overdiagnosed.

All good students have a touch of "obsessional" personality that helps them work hard to achieve. But that's different from an obsessional disorder that makes people inflexible and controlling and interferes with their lives, he explained.

Obsessive compulsive personality disorder differs from the better known OCD, or obsessive-compulsive disorder, which features repetitive actions such as hand-washing to avoid germs.

OCD is thought to affect about 2 percent of the general population. The study didn't examine OCD separately but grouped it with all anxiety disorders, seen in about 12 percent of college-aged people in the survey.

The overall rate of other disorders was also pretty similar among college students and non-students.

Substance abuse, including drug addiction, alcoholism and other drinking that interferes with school or work, affected nearly one-third of those in both groups.

Slightly more college students than non-students were problem drinkers — 20 percent versus 17 percent. And slightly more non-students had drug problems — nearly 7 percent versus 5 percent.

In both groups, about 8 percent had phobias and 7 percent had depression.

Bipolar disorder was slightly more common in non-students, affecting almost 5 percent versus about 3 percent of students.

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:blink: If 1 in 5 young adults have a personality disorder, does that mean the other 4 have perfect personalities? I never met anyone that didn't have a personality disorder! Maybe I need to get out more. :unsure:
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I think the proportion is higher than that actually when you look at al the young people who go to college and join a fraternity/sorority... those places it takes 10 people to cumulatively make up a single personality!! jk no offense to anyone who has been in one as I have been there myself. just trying to be funny. I truly find this to be sad that there is so much diagnosed mental illness in society. i honestly wonder how much of it is actually pharmaceutical industry pushing drugs for the diseases and psych's following through with Rx's all int he name of money

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So this made me want to take some online personality disorder tests... Apparently I'm:

Disorder | Rating

Paranoid: Low (For those in Red vs Blue Mafia, I told you I'm not paranoid :P )

Schizoid: High

Schizotypal: High

Antisocial: Moderate

Borderline: Low

Histrionic: High

Narcissistic: High

Avoidant: Moderate

Dependent: Low

Obsessive-Compulsive: Low

(http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv)

The only one I really don't agree with is being histrionic..

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Paranoid: Moderate

Shizoid: High

Schizotypal: Low

Antisocial: Moderate

Borderline: Low

Histrionic: Low

Narcissistic: Moderate

Avoidant: Low

Dependent: Low

Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate

Wow, see what I mean about how everybody's got a personality disorder? Unless you're Izzy in which case you've got a whole collection (are those results for real?!? :lol: )

Just for the record I disagree with my Paranoid and Antisocial scores (I expect people to be incompetent, and I'm ruthless, but what's wrong with that?)

Great test Izzy, I hope more people put their scores up here :)

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Wow, see what I mean about how everybody's got a personality disorder? Unless you're Izzy in which case you've got a whole collection (are those results for real?!? :lol: )

I doubt it's any sort of certified test, but the questions were pretty specific, so I can see the results reflecting a person's personality. Hopefully not too accurately though, 'cos I feel like interjecting here and saying I'm not screwed up... I did answer honestly though..

As for my high results...

Schizoid: Okay, I prefer to do things alone as opposed to in groups. That's because, yeah, I am a bit self-centered and narcissistic, and I just generally get things done quicker and much more accurately this way.

Schizotypal: I can tell the difference from reality and my fantasies, thank you very much test. I can visualize things really vividly, and my dreams are usually very intense. I am guilty of swinging for hours at a time and just thinking. Having conversations with myself and with other people in my mind. Don't know whether that makes me weird or not, but I think it's cool that I can entertain myself like this. If this is a "severe long-term mental disorder" as the dictionary on my Mac tells me, then by all means I'm happy I have it.

Histrionic: Bull. I'm not whatsoever.

Narcissistic: I'm not obsessed with myself or the way I look. I do however pay attention to myself and those around me. I can see where I'm better than people, and judge myself honestly when I notice someone is better at something than me. In my school, the first happens a lot more than the latter, and even though it's true, I suppose realizing it makes me arrogant. Obviously I don't point it out to anyone, but by the way these types of words as defined, I guess I'm narcissistic.

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:blink: If 1 in 5 young adults have a personality disorder, does that mean the other 4 have perfect personalities? I never met anyone that didn't have a personality disorder! Maybe I need to get out more. :unsure:
Maybe not! You may have other disorders???

I doubt it's any sort of certified test....

A friend of mine asked his doctor to cerify him - the doctor said "You must be mad"

I' take the test later - I am sort of paranoid about tests though (they only work on normal people)

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Disorder | Rating

Paranoid: Low

Schizoid: Low

Schizotypal: Moderate

Antisocial: Low

Borderline: Low

Histrionic: Low

Narcissistic: Low

Avoidant: Very High

Dependent: High

Obsessive-Compulsive: Low

...yeah, this is bad.

Please tell me this test isnt really accurate... I'm getting quite worried.

I dont think I'm really avoidant...and I'm definitely a little bit paranoid.

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Paranoid - Low

Schizoid - Low

Schizotypal - Low

Anitsocial - Low

Borderline - Low

Histrionic - Moderate

Narcissistic - Moderate

Avoidant - Moderate

Dependant - High

Obsessive-Compulsive - Moderate

:unsure: I didn't think I was that dependant...I didn't even know what some of these meant until I googled them :P

I thought I'd be more Schizoid...I'm very withdrawn...

Not sure what Borderline means...borderline of what? Sanity?

Since when am I moderately Histrionic? I don't seek attention...I shy away from it :huh:

I :blush: am a bit Narcissistic, and I know it...

I thought I'd be high Avoidant...instead I'm highly dependant, which really suprises me...I guess I just like fitting in?

I honestly thought I'd be highly obsessive-compulsive. I'm a huge perfectionist, which is difficult because I'm far from perfect :blush:

I don't think this test worked for me :blink:

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hmmm I can't complain too much. I know I am OCD and when I was a teen I used to exaggerate EVERYTHING

Paranoid: Moderate

Schizoid: Moderate

Schizotypal: Moderate

Antisocial: Low

Borderline: Low

Histrionic: High

Narcissistic: Moderate

Avoidant: Moderate

Dependent: Low

Obsessive-Compulsive: High

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Paranoid: Low

Schizoid: Low

Schizotypal: Low

Antisocial: Moderate

Borderline: Low

Histrionic: Moderate

Narcissistic: Low

Avoidant: Low

Dependent: Low

Obsessive-Compulsive: Low

:P I say I'm crazier than that, but then, I've never really thought these tests were entirely accurate (nor are they supposed to be).

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>_> I'm starting to think I'm pretty messed up. I have way more high's than anyone else..
I think that test is scewed/skewed... the questions are ambiguous and will depend on conditions for youngsters in the US, ie exam time, holiday period - I am sure it varies. There is no conclusive result with that test and young adults (US - UK and elsewhere), go through phases and emotions until late twenties. I did not become who/what I am utill close to thirty.
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I' take the test later - I am sort of paranoid about tests though (they only work on normal people)
If we're normal, the test can't be working! And it helps if you're paranoid about it - one more box to tick ;)

>_> I'm starting to think I'm pretty messed up. I have way more high's than anyone else..
You're only messed up if your "disorders" don't work for you. Sounds to me like you're just fine.

For example, I often don't trust other people to do things to my standards. Is that paranoid? I call it realistic. It's based on experience and it works for me. And I don't feel guilty about, say, profiting at the expense of others. Why not? Because there's no point. I'm not immoral, I just don't think there's any sense in feeling guilty about reasoned decisions I made. Am I antisocial then? If I am I wouldn't call it a disorder.

You are what you are. I think this test is fun since it does have the potential to sum you up quite nicely (Schizoid with Narcissistic and Obsessive-Compulsive tendencies - that's me!) But I suspect the reason LIS brought this up in the first place is that it demonstrates an unfortunate trend toward considering unusual behaviour as a "disorder". There is an implied negative judgement there (which being merely implicit, neither requires nor offers justification for itself). But it's absolutely clear that a so-called "disorder" is something which requires treatment, so we can all iron out our wrinkles and strive to be more normal.

:mellow::mellow::mellow::mellow::mellow::mellow::unsure::mellow::mellow:

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According to this I'm alll messed up

Here i just I was just Type 2 Bi-Polar with minor OCD

Disorder | Rating

Paranoid: High

Schizoid: Low

Schizotypal: High

Antisocial: Moderate

Borderline: Moderate

Histrionic: Very High

Narcissistic: High

Avoidant: High

Dependent: Moderate

Obsessive-Compulsive: High

edit: typo

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According to this I'm alll messed up

Here i just I was just Type 2 Bi-Polar with minor OCD

Disorder | Rating

Paranoid: High

Schizoid: Low

Schizotypal: High

Antisocial: Moderate

Borderline: Moderate

Histrionic: Very High

Narcissistic: High

Avoidant: High

Dependent: Moderate

Obsessive-Compulsive: High

edit: typo

Whoa, I didn't think it was possible to score VERY HIGH on this? :blink:

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Paranoid: Low

Schizoid: Moderate

Schizotypal: Moderate

Antisocial: Low

Borderline: Low

Histrionic: Low

Narcissistic: Low

Avoidant: Low

Dependent: Low

Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate

Guess I am a little exccentric! :lol:

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Paranoid: Low

Schizoid: Moderate

Schizotypal: Moderate

Antisocial: Low

Borderline: Low

Histrionic: Low

Narcissistic: Low

Avoidant: Low

Dependent: Low

Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate

Guess I am a little exccentric! :lol:

Wow... I think that you just might be the most "normal" person on BD! :lol:

EDIT: Sorry I think that Some Guy is a tad more "normal" :lol:

Paranoid: Low

Schizoid: Low

Schizotypal: Low

Antisocial: Moderate

Borderline: Low

Histrionic: Moderate

Narcissistic: Low

Avoidant: Low

Dependent: Low

Obsessive-Compulsive: Low

:P I say I'm crazier than that, but then, I've never really thought these tests were entirely accurate (nor are they supposed to be).

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Paranoid: Low

Schizoid: Low

Schizotypal: Moderate

Antisocial: Low

Borderline: Low

Histrionic: Moderate

Narcissistic: Low

Avoidant: High

Dependent: Low

Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate

I don't know if I agree with Histrionic, but I would say that the others are kind of on the mark. I agree with a lot of people's assessment that disorders are probably a little over-diagnosed and that this test is not guaranteed to be accurate.

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I hope this test is not taken seriously by anyone - the idea as Octopuppy said is that it is thought provoking - the test should probably be done by someone else or by two others - that wld be an interesting comparison - at the end of the day it's inacurate and a moody snapshot at best.

Some days you will be more outgoing others days you want to be by your self - i vary deending on wether I have projects on the go or too many things to do or deadline, so in general I am socialiable but have periods where I hope we have no visitors

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I hope this test is not taken seriously by anyone - the idea as Octopuppy said is that it is thought provoking - the test should probably be done by someone else or by two others - that wld be an interesting comparison - at the end of the day it's inacurate and a moody snapshot at best.

Some days you will be more outgoing others days you want to be by your self - i vary deending on wether I have projects on the go or too many things to do or deadline, so in general I am socialiable but have periods where I hope we have no visitors

No worries here. I didn't take any single test seriously in my life... including my exams! It's the only way to smash them! :lol: By not taking them too seriously! ;)

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No worries here. I didn't take any single test seriously in my life... including my exams! It's the only way to smash them! :lol: By not taking them too seriously! ;)

YEAH!!!!!!!!! Lol thats what i do alot of the time....

Anyway, as i am growing up i have been starting to think about kids and how i would raise them. You know most young adults just jump into it.... really... it scares me big time!!! All that stress and all that money going POOF!!!

i wouldnt be surprized if parents had a disorder...

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Anyway, as i am growing up i have been starting to think about kids and how i would raise them. You know most young adults just jump into it.... really... it scares me big time!!! All that stress and all that money going POOF!!!

i wouldnt be surprized if parents had a disorder...

Parents do - the disorder like other problems don't go away if you try the avoidance approach when the baby/s, kid/s etc are demanding. Many hard times and many great times - definitely worth it. Helps if you have the right partner though. Perfect is impossible. Like all recipes for sucess, spice can be added.... Good luck.
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