Yoruichi-san Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Since I'm tired of being attacked, I thought I'd work on something I've been thinking about for awhile, so here is Level 1: TI FOPOB AOR CRCELZW IW AMX YNJM BCUNFQX IB NCI SNKHWRR ECAHQXQSQH; SNKHWRR ECAHQXQSQH CRCGBBMM IB BTWFLTWU TBM ESSRLR RWXBBMUOQH WFCBWJO FOPOBCWU -SNI TTU, TBM ASL OU WXC Has my usual flair...;P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 (edited) Sorry, I'm new here, I've been reading the board for quite some time, just recently started posting... So can you give me the run down of the rules to solve these? I understand I have to figure out which letter is substituted for which, but are there letters that keep their original "meaning"? Anything else i need to know? And if possible - what is your usual flair? Murder mystery? Edited September 9, 2008 by DejaVu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Sorry, I'm new here, I've been reading the board for quite some time, just recently started posting... So can you give me the run down of the rules to solve these? I understand I have to figure out which letter is substituted for which, but are there letters that keep their original "meaning"? Anything else i need to know? And if possible - what is your usual flair? Murder mystery? For one thing of about 22000 10 letter words in the english dictionary, I did not find a single one that matched the pattern ECAHQXQSQH. So either that is a name of a person or there is something else going on than mere letter substitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 (edited) Its tricky but I think I figured it out. I won't post the solution yet so people have a chance to solve it, but here's a hint that should help. As Y-san said in the original post... it's not your usual cryptogram. The first letter of each word is not encrypted. Edited September 9, 2008 by Sinistral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Prof. Templeton Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Well, I know what the quote is and I know who said it. What I haven't figured out is how it was encrypted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Prof. Templeton Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Geez Louise! I finally got it. After Sinistral pointed out that the first letter of each word wasn't encrypted, I immediately noticed who the author was, which lead to... A - Z = 1 - 26 1st letter isn't encrypted 2nd letter is 1st letter's number of positions away from the original. 3rd letter is 2nd letter's number of positions away from the original. and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Yoruichi-san Posted September 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Sorry, I'm new here, I've been reading the board for quite some time, just recently started posting... So can you give me the run down of the rules to solve these? I understand I have to figure out which letter is substituted for which, but are there letters that keep their original "meaning"? Anything else i need to know? And if possible - what is your usual flair? Murder mystery? Lol...then this was definitely the WRONG cryptogram to start out on...my usual flair is a flair for the unusual...i.e. adding a "twist" to a popular kind of puzzle ;P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Yoruichi-san Posted September 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Geez Louise! I finally got it. After Sinistral pointed out that the first letter of each word wasn't encrypted, I immediately noticed who the author was, which lead to... A - Z = 1 - 26 1st letter isn't encrypted 2nd letter is 1st letter's number of positions away from the original. 3rd letter is 2nd letter's number of positions away from the original. and so on. I think you're on to it...but there's a different explanation...there's a reason the title's not your usual title either...;P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 (edited) I think you're on to it...but there's a different explanation...there's a reason the title's not your usual title either...;P well i know the quote and who it's by... Edit: previous logic flawed... so the true puzzle is figuring out how then huh...because the source was found too easily. Edited September 9, 2008 by solemnraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Prof. Templeton Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Back to the drawing board then. I knew that title had to come into play somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Geez Louise! I finally got it. After Sinistral pointed out that the first letter of each word wasn't encrypted, I immediately noticed who the author was, which lead to... A - Z = 1 - 26 1st letter isn't encrypted 2nd letter is 1st letter's number of positions away from the original. 3rd letter is 2nd letter's number of positions away from the original. and so on. Yeah you've pretty much got it, except you have it worded slightly different. I think your answer works fine, but Y-san is probably looking for a very specific wording in the answer because of the title. As you found out, each letter represents a number A = 1 and Z = 26. The first letter in each word is not encrypted, so to "decrypt" the second letter in each word you "shift" to the left a number of positions equal to the value of the first letter. But if each letter represents a number, couldn't we also see "shifting to the left" as subtracting one number from another? Therefore we could also say that to encrypt the original quote, the encrypted second letter is the SUM of the current letter with the previous one. Does this ring a bell? If it doesn't... what's another word for "Lie"? Lie meaning untruth. Do the same with the word "over", and then add the sound of an italian guy sneezing. Very clever, Y-san! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 well i get the meaning of the title lie = fib over = on sneeze = acci (sounds a bit like a sneeze) that equals fibonacci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 (edited) Geez Louise! I finally got it. After Sinistral pointed out that the first letter of each word wasn't encrypted, I immediately noticed who the author was, which lead to... A - Z = 1 - 26 1st letter isn't encrypted 2nd letter is 1st letter's number of positions away from the original. 3rd letter is 2nd letter's number of positions away from the original. and so on. Hey, that's almost my Progressive Encryption Algorithm I developed in university. Almost. Hmmm, maybe... Wait, no... if: It's not close to my PEA if the shift per letter is based on the Fibonacci sequence, 0,1,1,2,3,5,8, etc. It is if it's purely dependend on adjacent characters by some method. Uh oh, lunch is over! ttyl Edited September 10, 2008 by Jarod997 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 impressive Y-san Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 "Lie Over Sneeze" seems to be answered but not the main problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. -SUN TZU, THE ART OF WAR Heh, that took some number crunching. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Yoruichi-san Posted September 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Heh, that took some number crunching. Nice.To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. -SUN TZU, THE ART OF WAR Haha...tell me about it ;P Nice job, everyone! Particular thanks to Aizen for giving hints and not giving out the answer right away... I'll try to get Level 2 out later tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Haha...tell me about it ;P Nice job, everyone! Particular thanks to Aizen for giving hints and not giving out the answer right away... I'll try to get Level 2 out later tonight and till now I still not get it........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 and till now I still not get it........ I'll demonstrate the first two words. 1 2 12345678901234567890123456[/codebox] TI FOPOB To fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 (edited) 12345678901234567890123456 ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ T I -- F O P O B 21 9 -- 6 15 16 15 2 T O -- F I G H T 21 15 -- 6 9 7 8 20 1 2 To get the second letter, (O - 15), take the second letter (number) minus the first letter (number) and wrap around 26 if required. The difference between 9 and 21 is 15, 9 to 1 is 9, 26 to 21 is 6, 9+6 is 15, 15 is "O". The next word is simpler. 15-6 is 9, hence "I". Now to continue the word, do the same again, 16-9 is 7, "G". You're always taking the first number from the letter ahead from the encrypted word, and the second number from the current letter in the decrypted word. So, we have 6, (first letter), 15-6=9, 16-9=7, 15-7=8, 2-8=20 (wrapping around 26). Hope that helps. Edited September 11, 2008 by Jarod997 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 12345678901234567890123456 ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ T I -- F O P O B 21 9 -- 6 15 16 15 2 T O -- F I G H T 21 15 -- 6 9 7 8 20 1 2 I just found it amusing that you use almost the exact same notation that I used in my tools for decrypting these. I created a text file in notepad with the following. It allows me to do the mod 26 calculation even on shifted ciphers with a quick glance. 12345678901234567890123456 78901234567890123456789012 -------------------------- -------------------------- ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZA BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZA CDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZAB CDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZAB DEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABC DEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABC EFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCD EFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCD FGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDE FGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDE GHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEF GHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEF HIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFG HIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFG IJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGH IJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGH JKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHI JKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHI KLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJ KLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJ LMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJK LMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJK MNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKL MNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKL NOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLM NOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLM OPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMN OPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMN PQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNO PQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNO QRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP QRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP RSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQ RSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQ STUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQR STUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQR TUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRS TUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRS UVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRST UVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRST VWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTU VWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTU WXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUV WXYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUV XYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVW XYZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVW ZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY ZABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY0 1 2 3 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Hope that helps. 12345678901234567890123456 ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ T I -- F O P O B 21 9 -- 6 15 16 15 2 T O -- F I G H T 21 15 -- 6 9 7 8 20 1 2 To get the second letter, (O - 15), take the second letter (number) minus the first letter (number) and wrap around 26 if required. The difference between 9 and 21 is 15, 9 to 1 is 9, 26 to 21 is 6, 9+6 is 15, 15 is "O". The next word is simpler. 15-6 is 9, hence "I". Now to continue the word, do the same again, 16-9 is 7, "G". You're always taking the first number from the letter ahead from the encrypted word, and the second number from the current letter in the decrypted word. So, we have 6, (first letter), 15-6=9, 16-9=7, 15-7=8, 2-8=20 (wrapping around 26). Wow! Thanks Jarod997 for your explanation. Finally understand how it works. Y-san, great one! You really suit the title of "That woman" (continue with this, "Where does she get the idea to creat such puzzle?") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Since I'm tired of being attacked, I thought I'd work on something I've been thinking about for awhile, so here is Level 1:
TI FOPOB AOR CRCELZW IW AMX YNJM BCUNFQX IB NCI SNKHWRR ECAHQXQSQH; SNKHWRR ECAHQXQSQH CRCGBBMM IB BTWFLTWU TBM ESSRLR RWXBBMUOQH WFCBWJO FOPOBCWU
-SNI TTU, TBM ASL OU WXC
Has my usual flair...;P
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