joef1000 2 Report post Posted April 5, 2014 So let's say I have a time machine, and I put £1,000 into a bank account (at time t=0). Now, if I don't touch it for a year (call this t=2), I'll have some interest on my original £1,000. Let's say the interest rate is 1% per year (works for any interest rate really). Then at t=2, my balance is £1,010. So if I ask to withdraw all my money, so I now have £1,010 in my wallet. Then I use my time machine to travel to the day after I deposited the original £1,000, call this t=1,and deposit half the money in my wallet, that is, £505. I then go back to t=3, where I still have the other £505 in my wallet. BUT... If I deposited the money, then at t=1 I had £1,505, instead of £1,000. So at t=2, adding 1% interest gives me £1,520.05, so THAT'S actually how much I withdraw. So I deposited half of that = £560.02 and kept £560.02 for myself at t=3 (I'll give the extra penny to charity) But that's more money, which means it actually become more, and more, and more. Does it converge, or do I have a truly infinite supply? Can we increase our final outcome if the initial parameters change? Let's go to the maths! Let M be the amount of money I have (since all my money at any given point is either in the bank or in my wallet, I only need one letter to denote this. M_{0 }is my starting money at t=0, M_{1 }is money at t=1, and so on. M_{0 }= £1000 Let I be the interest rate, aka 0.01. Let P be the proportion of my money I deposit at t=1 (the rest I keep at t=3, giving the remainder to charity), this = 0.5. Equations: A. M_{1 }= M_{0}+P*M2 B. M_{2 }= M_{1}* 1 + I) C. M_{3 }= (1-P)*M_{2} Substituting A into B gives M_{2 }= (M_{0}+P*M_{2})*(1+I) M_{2}/(1+I) = M_{0}+P*M_{2} M_{2}/(1+I)-P*M_{2 }= M_{0} M_{2}*(1/(1+I)) - M_{2}*P = M_{0} M_{2} * (1/(1+I)-P) = M_{0} M_{2} = M_{0 }/ (1/(1+I) - P) So the amount we end up with at then end (M_{3}) is 1-P ------------- * M_{0} 1/(1+I) - P If 1-P > 1/(1+I)-P, we made a profit. 1 + I > 1 -> 1 / (1+I) < 1 -> 1 / (1+I) - P < 1-P We made a profit. How much profit? If it's more than I, this was worth it. Let's plug in our values: (1 - 0.5) / (1/1.01 - 0.5) = 1.0202020202... We (slightly more than) doubled the interest rate. In fact, changing the interest rate with P = 0.5 doubles the interest rate What about different values of P (putting depositing more at t=1)? Lower values of P end up giving results close to 1.01, but higher values give more profit: for example, (1 - 0.9) / (1 / 1.01 - 0.9) 1.11, effectively bumping up the interest rate to 11%. However, going too high gives negatives, so what's the highest point we can go to? Answer: P = 1/1.01 = 100/101. Then our money goes to infinity. (as we divide by 0) So for interest rate I, depositing (1/(1+I)) of the money at t=1 when in the past means you end up with an infinite amount. Of course, due to rounding, you can't deposit exactly this amount, but you get more money each "iteration" so you can round it more accurately each time. And if you give the remainder of division after rounding to charity, you'd be helping infinitely too. (in most cases) The only limit is the amount of money your wallet can carry at once as you travel through time. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joshuagenes 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2014 There is another limit and that is the amount of time you are willing to take time traveling back and forth executing this scheme. Future stock charts and sports gambling might provide a better return for the effort. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joshuagenes 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2014 You will also get diminishing returns on your money the greater the supply that you create it may become worthless for the effort if you inflate it too much. Other people may become grumpy and do away with you as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phil1882 13 Report post Posted May 23, 2014 this is basically the grandfather pardadox, done with money instead of grandfathers. you put money in a bank, withdraw it at a later date, go back in time give it to yourself, that puts the money in the bank. there are two possible explainations for whats really occuring. either you are on a time tangent where the does happen, but only once, or time travel is impossible.the time tangent one is the mos interesting.like in the show gargoyles the pheonix gate, when you open a time portal you create a reality where whatever you do is somethig that's supposed to happen. in this case what really happens is you only have 500 dollars, and your future self gives you the 500 from your own bank account. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites