tolecnal

I too will not be talking very much today. I talked a lot yesterday and it resulted in a lot of unnecessary posts - so I will likely only address questions or requests for clarification made directly to me and generally won't respond to posts that make speculations about my role claim or the likelihood or reasonableness of my death I think that's a dead horse (or a dying horse - nonetheless we should stop beating it).

but I've been in games where the vote manip could only manipulate there vote and I've been in games where they could manipulate other's votes, so I'm not sure what a "regular VM" is, please clarify.

wait hidden g - what do you mean by "please remove my vote"?

Is Tom a self-vote manip or an any vote manip? @Hidden-G: please don't shorten my name to trol, it's confusing - tole is fine

and clearly with the whole additional redirect or mirror or other secret ability floating around out there my ability is really more of a liability than helpful

except I don't know who the save is so I couldn't redirect them to me and I don't know that I would in any case because it's possible whoever they're saving is more important and I'm not sure that my role matters more

As Jerry I redirected Sak to Plasmid, which suggests, since Meathead is the only person who acted on plasmid, that you are Meathead. Unless my redirect bounced from you to someone else, nothing proves you are not Meathead. So I'm curious if I am lynch and found to be Jerry doesn't that suggest that I told the truth about my action and you are Meathead? I also take back the thing about not spying Sak or my self. The spy should spy whoever they want, the fact that people suggest another redirect is involved means the case wasn't as closed as I thought.

I think there's a little flaw in that I will get lynched though I am telling the truth and you will be down one goodie and not necessarily closer to finding any baddies. Just to be clear, if I am lyched and found to be Jerry who will you suspect next? Will it be Sak, as I suggest, or Hidden G?

@sak - I'm a little confused what you are suggesting people do here. It seems like your creating an atmosphere of doubt, if no one counterclaims you can say it is because the "real Jerry" is just avoiding risk rather than the fact that there is no other Jerry because I am, in fact, Jerry.

Okay before I get lynched, which Smoth I don't think you should try to change, how is it that there could be more than one set of redirects? I thought Hidden G was lying or mistaken but then mboon said she knows who was redirected or that sak-c wasn't redirected. So before you lynch me and find that I am Jerry - either Tom has a secret redirect or somehow my redirect bounced off of sakura and landed on someone else. I was told that I had a successful redirect though, so you'd think that meant my redirect went through normally and that sakura was redirected to plasmid.

@mboon - yes I redirected sakura to plasmid.

Again, @Hidden-G : if you have incriminating proof that I am lying then why don't you vote to lynch me? Editing to add: and now I'm done.

I definitely factored that in and you'll notice none of my accusations say that Sak-C is lying, I have no idea if she originially chose Plasmid all I know is that I redirected her to Plasmid and MEathead showed up as acting on Plasmid.

whoa, you just called me an idiot? Seriously? alright, I've said my peace and I won't keep banging my head on the wall if it's just going to get me called names. @smoth it's up to you - you can lynch me and find out the truth or lynch sak-C and find out the truth. And Hidden-G if you believe I'm lying, why not vote for me?

Ha! Nice Hidden-G, you just proved your Butch (or a really crazy Tom). Please feel free to lynch me today and then know that: Sak-C is Meathead, and Hidden-G is, likely, Butch - but definitely not a goodie. Also, if you lynched Sak-C you would prove the same thing and not waste another day.

Jerry would not show up as acting in any case. However if you are Jerry you'd be able to read between the lines

@sak - I didn't redirect meathead last night Sak, I redirected you.

What HiddenG says between now and the end of D1 will be very telling about who he is.

Hosts: kristmark1 and Maurice 1. plasmid - voting for s-chan 2. tolecnal- voting for s-chan 3. Hidden G - voting for plasmid 4. Tralala!- voting for Hidden G 5. mboon - voting for Cat 6. smoth - voting for mboon 7. Sakura-chan - voting for tolecnal 8. 'Cat'astrophe voting for tolecnal 9. MiKi - voting for Cat @Smoth, if you don't believe me about Sakura then change your vote to me (I don't think I can self-vote) so that you'll believe me N2 about Sak and possible (likely) Hidden G, when it is most important.

Do not target sak-C day spy, it is a waste of a spy. And don't spy plasmid that too is a waste of time. Spy Hidden-G - then feel free to lynch me so you know who to RID kill N2 and who to lynch N3 - as soon as it shows I'm Jerry when you lynch me it will confirm that what I say is true: Sak-C is Meathead and plasmid is neither Meathead nor Butch, but he could be Tom.

if plasmid can't be meathead and can't be the baddie spy then plasmid is the only person I believe to be a confirmed goodie at this point - if I get lynched or NK know that plasmid is a goodie, which makes HiddenG suspicious to me and Sak-C not just suspicious but IN FACT A BADDIE. And Sak-C before you say it, this is absolutely not personal this is just because I redirected you to plasmid last night and it shows up that Meathead was redirected. Again, if I am lynched or NK, you know who to go after.

You meant to block Miki but instead you blocked Plasmid

Meathead was redirected wasn't he Sakura?

I'm not the spy.

Plasmid IS NOT Meathead. I think I've pretty much outted myself at this point...