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    Rollo

    B _ _ _ _ +5 Maurice BUDDY - 1 QUITE - 0 READY - 0 BEADY - 1 BASIC - 1 BLEAK - 1
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    BlaBlah99 replaced araver DarthNoob replaced Framm
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    Rollo

    B _ _ _ _ +5 Maurice BUDDY - 1 QUITE - 0 READY - 0 BEADY - 1 BASIC - 1
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    Adding another example to the challenge: 4 */* 2 = 5 12 */* 17 = 28 30 */* 10 = 36 100 */* 93 = 186 42 */* 35 = 72 ------------------ 48 */* 73 = ?
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    Rollo

    B _ _ _ _ +5 Maurice BUDDY - 1 QUITE - 0 READY - 0 BEADY - 1
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    Cheesner and IdoJava, while it is perfectly OK to share your opinions in the thread if you think the puzzle is broken/flawed somehow, it is not OK to vote down on a puzzle or a post unless you are absolutely sure that the puzzle is not solvable/wrong. Voting a puzzle should follow the Thank you. As a hint, you might want to try this puzzle first: .
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    Rollo

    _ _ _ _ _ BUDDY - 1 QUITE - 0 READY - 0
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    Rollo

    _ _ _ _ _ BUDDY - 1 QUITE - 0
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    LJ - Backup found. 1. Molly 2. maurice 3. DarthNoob 4. Segul - LYNCHED - found to be the 2nd Scorpion Army boy 5. BlaBlah99 6. Hirkala-zombified 7. onetruth 8. NickFleming 9. woon 10. slick 11. Brandonb 12. firno
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    Rollo

    _ _ _ _ _ BUDDY - 1
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    Rollo

    I kinda got the feeling you wanted that Here goes nothing _ _ _ _ _
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    Rollo

    SNIPE EDIT: I feeling like reading too many pages of the dictionary for this one.
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    Rollo

    DRIVE QLM is still on. I'll probably be around even sooner than QLM. *shrug*
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    Rollo

    MOIRE - if 2 then _ _ I_ E since E is known, M O and R are not from MAYBE=BOARD=0 I'm still around. Just restricting myself to logic and less stressful games for a while. And that wasn't a hint.
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    I like the following strategy, but I'm not sure it's optimal. However I think it's a good ice-breaker as being the first with an actual winning chance computed. As my starting ideas were symmetrical and deterministic up to a point, yet the resulting strategy is somewhat asymmetrical, my hunch says its probably not optimal. But it's the best I have so far. Also sorry, it's longer to read because I started writing something else and changed mid-way The next Greedy strategy tries to win the middle cases (w=3,w=4) and group everyone errors in the losing cases: Depending on z choose: z=0 - Red* z=1 - Blue z=2 - Red z=3 - abstain z=4 - Blue z=5 - Red z=6 - Blue* *-same chances if instead of color, abstain is chosen. This greedy strategy has a 2*(7+35)=84 out of 128 winning cases = 65.625% It wins for B={1,3,4,6} instances. Its not so good compared to 112 out of 128=87.5% for the perfect-Hamming strategy (if we knew the distribution of hats as well), but not far from that either. Depending on z choose: z=0 - Blue z=1 - Red z=2 - abstain z=3 - Blue z=4 - abstain z=5 - Blue z=6 - Red This reverseGreedy strategy has 2*(1+21)+35=79 out of 128 winning cases. Its not as good as the Greedy strategy, but it is good if you think you're in a non-B instance {0,2,5,7}. As a side-effect, it also wins for a particular B-instance (w=3) i.e. when you think you're in a non-B instance but you're actually in a w=3 instance. Step 0. Establish B={1,3,4,6} and assume teams form a circle (i.e. n=3 Hamming instance). Assume A={000,111}. Appoint a leader team as a starting point and a rotation direction: e.g. British, French, Italian. Step 1. Compute the two bits of information you see from other teams based on set B. So if you see a number that is in B mark it as a bit 1, else mark it as bit 0. Step 2. Assuming the two possibilities (that you are either a B-instance or a non-B-instance) as bits for your team you arrive at two unique 3-bit strings a (if you are a nonB-instance) and b (if you are a B-instance). The fact that you established in step 0 a starting point and a rotation direction makes a and b unique. Step 3. If neither a nor b belong to A - ABSTAIN, else go to step 4. Step 4. Exactly one of a or b belongs to A: If a is in A, then choose b (think that you are a B-instance), so play the individual Greedy strategy. If b is in A, then choose a (think that you are a non-B instance), so play individual reverseGreedy strategy. Note that this global strategy is independent of what you are told about your team, and only after arriving in step 4 and choosing an individual strategy you actually take the information about your team into account. Chances of winning depend on the unknown global string w1w2w3 (British, French, Italian) where wi=1 iff the number of hats in team i is in B: -000 - Everybody sees non-B instances, chooses b in step 4, tries to play Greedy and fails. Game is LOST. -001, 010, 100 - One team (in a B instance) sees a=000 in A and plays the Greedy strategy which wins. Other two teams see 1-bit and 2-bit numbers not in A and abstain. Game is WON. -110, 101, 011 One team (in a non-B instance) sees b=111 in A and plays reverseGreedy which wins. Other teams see 1-bit and 2-bit strings not in A and abstain. Game is WON. -111 Everybody sees b=111 in A, so they choose to play reverseGreedy (for the wrong reasons). They usually fail. But the lack of symmetry in reverseGreedy gives you a rather unique global win if everyone is in a particular B-instance (w=3). Only in this case, all three teams play a winning reverseGreedy. In all other cases, at least one team fails and Game is LOST. That lack of symmetry in reverseGreedy makes over-all winning chances harder to compute. First, the individual probability of having a B-instance(1,3,4,6) is easy to compute (and was already computed) as it is the same with winning chances of the Greedy strategy 84/128. Conversely, 44/128 cases for a non-B instance. Also, the chances of a w=3 instance are 35/128. So, global chances (denote t=44/128): Case 1) 000 means non-B instances for everyone = 44/128*44/128*44/128= t^3 Case 2) 001, 010, 100 means as single non-B instance = 3*44/128*44/128*84/128 = 3*t^2*(1-t) Case 3) 110, 101, 011 means as single B instance = 3*44/128*84/128*84/128 = 3*t*(1-t)^2 Case 4) 111 means B instances for everyone = 84/128*84/128*84/128= (1-t)^3. Of which a particular case with global (35/128)^3 probability should be counted as a win (reverseGreedy side-effect). So, global winning is 3*44/128*44/128*84/128 + 3*44/128*84/128*84/128+ (35/128)^3=(1486848+42875)/128^3=1529723/128^3. Roughly 72.94%. EDIT: Tried to make it more readable by two levels of spoilers. Combining 3 teams' strategies in a greedy manner, each team playing the same local (inside-team) strategy is a little tricky. We should use the fact that one knows the exact instance the other teams are in to obtain a global advantage. Therefore each player should look at the global picture, then either choose to abstain or play a team strategy (e.g. Greedy strategy as above). Assuming the third team's point of view for a moment i.e. imagine you see x and y and your own z<=w<=z+1. First, if you play the Greedy strategy as described above you know it's a win for a team iff number of hats is actually 1,3,4,6. So if you see that both x and y are not in the set B={1,3,4,6}, there's no point in abstaining since the others surely cannot get it right on their own. You might get lucky and be in a B-instance yourself, therefore winning the game. This would be Naive-Rule 1. If both x and y are in set B, then you might be spoiling everyone's chances by playing since your set might not be a wining set. This would count as a Naive-Rule 2. However, assuming a symmetrical global strategy, if all see B-instances, they would all abstain and perhaps lose a chance of winning. Then perhaps choosing/appointing a team to take action if all else fails would be better but this does not actually lead to a simple Naive-Rule 3. This starts to looks like a small version of the Hamming-problem. So, instead of choosing a strategy based on the Naive-rules above, you can actually choose a sort of Hamming n=3 strategy. However, besides the individual Greedy strategy above, you will need a mirror strategy for when you're a non-B instance. The following reverseGreedy strategy wins for non-B instances (i.e. when w=0,2,5,7) Returning to the Hamming-style global strategy:
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    @Bb - Please take this as a personal message: I think you misunderstood what I said when stating my reasons for leaving the game and you asked a question about that. So I need to elaborate as I do not want any misunderstanding to remain between us. I had some problems irl + a rush of adrenaline/stress/frustration from another Mafia game recently and I don't wish to play anymore in this Mafia, because playing with you atm is very stressful - which I really cannot take at the moment. So instead of hurting my faction's chances to win by playing emotionally disturbed, I'm choosing not to play. This has nothing to do with my role, just with the levels of conversational stress I can handle right now. I'm sorry I'm not able to continue this game but this decision does not affect any other games we might play in the future (i.e. it's not an "I don't wanna play with you ever" kind of message) This is colored as a ghost message since I was not replaced yet, but this will be my final post in this game.
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    @LJ - Please find a replacement for me. I'm sorry, but I do not feel able to continue. @Bb - Please understand that statement as me not wishing to play with you anymore.
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    I know you could have been inactive, but when active you're more likely to provide a defense D1 than a noob. And that no-defense-needed strategy doesn't actually count IMHO. So, I'm not changing my vote.
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    @LJ - Thanks for the answers. @Bb - And that was not my defense. Try to read it again thinking its not a defense and a meaning might actually reach you. You're on my ignore list atm. @Slick - waiting for your response. Putting my vote back since now I'm sure you can give a response: 1. Molly - Voting for Slick 2. maurice - Voting for Segul 3. Framm - Voting for Maurice 4. Segul- voting for Molly mae 5. araver - Voting for Slick 6. Hirkala-zombified 7. onetruth - Voting for Maurice 8. NickFleming 9. woon - voting for Segul 10. slick 11. Brandonb - voting for Segul 12. firno - Voting for Slick
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