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Didn't you just say you had an inkling of hope that politicans cared??? =)
Yes I have hope they are good but then I believe they are 99% scumbags. even those who ge into politics for the right reasons soon realize the most important job of a politician is getting elected. if they arent elected no matter how good their ideas or pure their motives they cant do squat. this is why even the best become well EVIL is perhaps a too strong word lelts just say hypocritical. The faster they learn that most important rule the more succesful they become as a politican. Those who never learn it or are too honorable to bend in the face of adversity rarely make it anywhere in politics. its the leaches the scumbags etc who get ahead.
So glad ya decided against politics, or id probably have to lower my opinion of ya
JK actually on a small local level there can be good politicians but at a city sized govt or larger it becomes harder and harder to find one.
Here we have 3 municipal parties (well its convoluted but im not in the city, but i am in the city. i vote for different municipal officials but 50% of my taxes are paid to the guys running the OFFICIAL city, i dont get to vote for them ITS VERY MESSED UP THANK YOU SCUMBAG PROVINCIAL POLITICANS). anyway i digress. The three parties are run by 3 certifiable nut jobs. the guy running the show ATM is detested by all, but the other 2 are even more insane (One keeps talking about aliens and 911 being an inside job). So what do you do? I have no clue! start a new party? takes money and unless youve already been in politics and got a name for yourself (good or bad its irrelevant just as long as people recognize the name) no one will pay any attention to you. So ya gotta join the machine and get transformed by it to have a chance of changing it!
Yeah I know i sound completely cynical but i still think this is the best system ever invented or even imaged by the human race yet!
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Quag, i think what she is trying to making a counterargument to the republican 'If taxes, cut it to 0' thing. I didn't think she was implying to make super-massive-unnecessary tax hikes. She was making i counter argument. The same argument, if i recall correctly, you made to UtF about something with roads. But that's irrelevant.
UTF was saying there shoudl be 0 nada no taxes she is implying the rich already dotn pay IE shes promoting class warfare!! big difference! she is the opposite of UTF im in the middle of the two. Though I believe UTF was talking from conviction and she was talking only as a means to drum up support for her own political gain. More respect to UTF here !
If that is the point she was trying to make she is a terrible politician because everyone i showed that message to got the same anti rich tax em to death message as i did. however if this was her convoluted point ok then. Though I hear a lot more Dems saying tax the rich than Reps saying cut the taxes on the rich, it is usually leave em alone or cut for everyone and no one says down to 0%
20% flat tax or option for current system (perry and silly)
9 9 9 a major redo of tax system but i admit i havent researched it enough really understand it so i have no opinion on it yet.
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agreed too much blaming the other guy goes on still rewatch her and ya gotta really try to see hwo she isnt attackign the rich. RIGHT after saying shes against class warfare!!!!
*()&&*&*? politicians!!!
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I don't think she's trying to imply that he doesn't pay taxes already. She's arguing against the notion that "job creators" (Republicans current favorite meaningless buzzword) create their own wealth entirely by their own effort. She's saying this is a group effort and because they are benefiting from society, they owe society to pay some back.
but he does pay back, he pays more in straight terms and in % terms of his income in taxes so what is her point then??? She is implying the guy paying 35% tax should be baying what 70%,90%?
Small quibble, the factory doesn't produce money. It's going to produce a product which people are going to buy for money. The money is already in circulation. I'm not really sure why the chicken and egg thing matters. We have the society that we have. We need to deal with it as it is now, not the way it was or how it will be in the future. And the place it started shouldn't affect the current situation.chicken and egg thing was where did the govt get the $$ to pay for the roads? from taxes that could only be collected if there is a functioning economy, which requires her fictional factory to exist. In actual fact historically speaking the factories built their own transportation systems to get their products out there. Highways are a recent invention. My point was that you can build all the roads you want if there is no one creating reasons to use them you are wasting your money just as much as you are wasting your time building a factory in the middle of nowhere with no way of getting the products out there (though again hsitorically speaking factories were built where the resources where and they built their own system to move their product.)
The workers and roads the owner uses were subsidized by the government (you still need some sort of education to operate in society and it really doesn't matter how much education would be required to work at her fictional factory...it's fictional. If the workers were designing a cold fusion reactor, the argument would still be the same). The factory owner is using resources from our society in order to enrich himself. Because he used some public resources to get the job done, he should pay for that. That's all she's saying. I'm not sure what you're objecting to.
I am objecting to a politician saying its not about class warfare then using class warfare language to attack the "RICH", Orwell called this doublespeak.
Yes we all use resources provided by the whole but again her diatribe suggest the rich arent paying and they should. The fact is they are paying and in a larger percentage those who earn less. This makes everything she says nothing more than demagogery for political gain. She is the worst kind of politician in my mind. She is either ignorant (a distinct possibility) or purposly creating anger in one group of society against another for her own political gain (the more likely scenario)
No point in copy/pasting about the politicains. I agree they are a necessary evil and non career pooliticains would be better though i do not think the Dems are any better than the Republicans. Look at Pelosi, Frank, Dodd etc they are all worse than useless.
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I gotta disagree with video to simplistic and ignoring half the story
She is implying the factory owner isnt paying any taxes. Well he is and a lot more than any other individual. Also the money his factory generates pays workers who also pay taxes. Without that revenue no more new roads would be built or those existing could not be maintained.
In fact the govt can only spend so much $$$ because this fictional factory owner started his factory creating empolyment etc. The schools would have no money to teach students who could then work in factory if the factory, through business taxes, the owner through income taxes and the workers through income taxes didnt provide the govt with $$$. And lets be honest, for most factory work very little education is required, perhaps she should have said schools to teach engineers to design stuff for the facotry to build.
The person who is doing nothing productive for society is the !/$%&/ politician (any stripe they are all leaches, yes im cynical and bitter)
So factory couldnt exist without roads, roads cant exist without govt, govt cannot exist wthout $$, which is generated by the factory. You pick chicken or egg what came first?
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You hate a guy who was dead before your great great great.... grandparents were born???
Although he's not nearly as good as Poe! he is pretty awesome. But this is a matter of taste and taste is a personal thing unique to each and every individual as unique to them as their fingerprints.
Having said that I cannot fault you for having poor taste
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All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
And then the whining school-boy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side,
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.
There really is no point in trying to one up The Bard!
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Miki, mentally challenged is insulting and i am sure hotterthnfire did not mean to imply that you were. i was just pointing out that it coudl be construed that way. Mentally challenging means that you get others to use their brains which is a good thing and kinda what this forum is about so it was a compliment.
As to the nefarious plots well there is the one where you seem to hijack threads and get them to no longer be about their original topic but more about you. Normally i would say it is is more narcissistic than nefarious but i know you have dark plans for world conquest behind this, or perhaps just the tristate area, im a bit nebulous on your exact intentions, but they are nefarious! I know this because I keep seeing nefarious and your name near each other in post after post and even if i am the one typing those posts it cannot just be a coincidence. Mostly i think it happens because you seem to have a similar twisted sense of humour as myself
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