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#1 User is offline   bonanova Icon

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 08:47 AM

I just found a number with an interesting property:

When I divide it by 2, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 3, the remainder is 2.
When I divide it by 4, the remainder is 3.
When I divide it by 5, the remainder is 4.
When I divide it by 6, the remainder is 5.
When I divide it by 7, the remainder is 6.
When I divide it by 8, the remainder is 7.
When I divide it by 9, the remainder is 8.
When I divide it by 10, the remainder is 9.

It's not a small number, but it's not really big, either.
When I looked for a smaller number with this property I couldn't find one.

Can you find it?
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Posted 19 September 2007 - 07:23 PM

My answer is below, is this the answer you were looking for or is there a lower one?


Spoiler for solution:
2519



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Posted 19 September 2007 - 08:48 PM

That's it.

Here's my method: [care to share yours?]

Spoiler for solution:
The number has to end in 9.
Looked brute force for small numbers.
59 and 119 were promising, but no cigar.

Then looked for agreement among
39 + multiples of 40,
69 + multiples of 70 and
89 + multiples of 90
Smallest one was 2519.

Still think of this as kind of brute force.
Maybe there is no elegant solution.

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 08:54 AM

I am afraid, it was pretty much the 'brute force' method.

As you say 59 and 119 looked promising, both working upto and including 6, but 7 was the dificulty, so I tried each increment of 60 (179, 239, 299 ...), until I got to 419, which worked for 7 as well, (hooray) but not 9 or 10 (boo). Then using the same logic as before (59 being the first number that worked up the number 6, Increments of 60 always worked for the first 6 numbers. So 419 being the first that works for numbers up to 7 I incremented by 420.) So 419, 839, 1259, 1679, 2099, 2519.

Not a very elogant solution, but it passed a little time.

I assume, some mathemarical genius is going to post an easier way

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 02:25 AM

If we're looking for n where n divided by x (x being each number 2-10) leaves a remainder of x-1, n+1 divided by each number 2-10 leaves no remainder. To find n+1, we must simply multiply all prime factors of 2-10, excluding any duplicates. This is equal to 2*2*2*3*3*5*7 = 2520, then just subtract one to get the answer of 2519.
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 03:54 PM

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I just found a number with an interesting property:

When I divide it by 2, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 3, the remainder is 2.
When I divide it by 4, the remainder is 3.
When I divide it by 5, the remainder is 4.
When I divide it by 6, the remainder is 5.
When I divide it by 7, the remainder is 6.
When I divide it by 8, the remainder is 7.
When I divide it by 9, the remainder is 8.
When I divide it by 10, the remainder is 9.

It's not a small number, but it's not really big, either.
When I looked for a smaller number with this property I couldn't find one.

Can you find it?


Let X be the number. From the above properties of X, one can see that,
"X+1" is a multiple of the numbers from 2 to 10. As Bonanova is asking for the smallest number with such properties, "X+1" must be the LCM (least common multiple) of the numbers from 2 to 10 -- which is 2520.

And hence, X = 2520-1 = 2519.
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 03:57 PM

Another variation of the above problem is as follows:

I just found a number with an interesting property:

When I divide it by 2, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 3, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 4, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 5, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 6, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 7, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 8, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 9, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 10, the remainder is 1.

But when I divide it by 11, the remainder is 0 (just to make the procedure a little bit different).

Can you find it?
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Posted 06 October 2007 - 05:50 PM

Not sure if people are checking the variation of the above question. I think it is better to post it as a new question.
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Posted 15 January 2008 - 06:51 AM

All we need to do is to take the LCM of all these numbers and subtract 1 from that..
LCM of 1 to 10 is 5x8x9x7=2520
-1 is 2519
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Posted 18 January 2008 - 10:15 PM

View Postbrhan, on Oct 3 2007, 08:57 AM, said:

Another variation of the above problem is as follows:

I just found a number with an interesting property:

When I divide it by 2, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 3, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 4, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 5, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 6, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 7, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 8, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 9, the remainder is 1.
When I divide it by 10, the remainder is 1.

But when I divide it by 11, the remainder is 0 (just to make the procedure a little bit different).

Can you find it?


A number that satisfies all of these properties is:

Spoiler for above problem:
25201

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