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Abort

QILOGWRK

Hackers are not taking opposite sides, so:

for patterns in other 5-letter commands. (or 4-letters...)

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Abort

QILOGWRK

Password rejected, access denied.

And here you are araver:

NORTHDAKOTA

UIEBTPUZ

SOUTHCAROLINA

FBYNQJOB

TENNESSEE

OFXVDFVD

The hounds are on my trail. I can sense it. Just 11 states left!

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- find out how many vowels are in the state and start with the letter in that place

- if you find a vowel, pick next/prev/same based on some unknown

- if you find a consonant, pick letter in the alphabet series after this letter. the unknown is how many to count to pick the letter.

For e.g.:

SOUTHCAROLINA = FBYNQJOB

# of stateChars : 13

# of vowels: 6 => starting letter is C from the 6th position

# of consts: 7

C = F => C DE F

A = B => next letter

R = Y => R STUVWX Y

O = N => prev letter

L = Q => L MNOP Q

I = J => next letter

N = O => N O

A = B => next letter

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IPYUZIPY

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- find out how many vowels are in the state and start with the letter in that place

- if you find a vowel, pick next/prev/same based on some unknown

- if you find a consonant, pick letter in the alphabet series after this letter. the unknown is how many to count to pick the letter.

For e.g.:

SOUTHCAROLINA = FBYNQJOB

# of stateChars : 13

# of vowels: 6 => starting letter is C from the 6th position

# of consts: 7

C = F => C DE F

A = B => next letter

R = Y => R STUVWX Y

O = N => prev letter

L = Q => L MNOP Q

I = J => next letter

N = O => N O

A = B => next letter

I did not have time to look on where to start ... but deciphered the rest of the rules.

So I just did a blind shot hoping you were right on the start position. ABORT = 2 vowels - start with second letter.

Still it does not seem so likely with my rules.

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Letter translation depends on how neighbours are between themselves - i.e. context sensitive rule.

	

	>	=	<

A	Z	A	B

B	g	H	i

C			

D	E	F	G

E	D	E	F

F			

G	j	k	L

H	I	J	K

I	H	I	J

J			

K	R	S	T

L			

M	P	Q	R

N	O	P	Q

O	N	O	P

P			

Q			

R	W	X	Y

S	V	W	X

T	U	v	w

U	t	u	V

V	E	f	G

W	D	E	F

X			

Y			

Z			

E.g. aAb in the command

If a>b then A->Z (e.g. CAB)

If a=b then A->A (e.g. SAS)

If a<b then A->B (e.g. BAC)

ARKANSAS and KANSAS made me understand this rule (=)

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Letter translation depends on how neighbours are between themselves - i.e. context sensitive rule.

	

	>	=	<

A	Z	A	B

B	g	H	i

C			

D	E	F	G

E	D	E	F

F			

G	j	k	L

H	I	J	K

I	H	I	J

J			

K	R	S	T

L			

M	P	Q	R

N	O	P	Q

O	N	O	P

P			

Q			

R	W	X	Y

S	V	W	X

T	U	v	w

U	t	u	V

V	E	f	G

W	D	E	F

X			

Y			

Z			

E.g. aAb in the command If a>b then A->Z (e.g. CAB) If a=b then A->A (e.g. SAS) If a<b then A->B (e.g. BAC) ARKANSAS and KANSAS made me understand this rule (=)

        >       =       <

A       Z       A       B

B       G       H       I

C       F	G	H                

D       E       F       G

E       D       E       F

F       K	L	M                

G       J       K       L

H       I       J       K

I       H       I       J

J       S	T	U                

K       R       S       T

L       Q	R	S                

M       P       Q       R

N       O       P       Q

O       N       O       P

P       Y	Z	A                

Q       X	Y	Z                

R       W       X       Y

S       V       W       X

T       U       V       W

U       T       U       V

V       E       F       G

W       D       E       F

X       C	D	E                

Y	B	C	D	                       

Z       A	B	C 

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	>	=	<

A	Z	A	B

B	G	H	I

C	F	G	H

D	E	F	G

E	D	E	F

F	K	L	M

G	J	K	L

H	I	J	K

I	H	I	J

J			

K	R	S	T

L	Q	R	S

M	P	Q	R

N	O	P	Q

O	N	O	P

P	Y	Z	A

Q			

R	W	X	Y

S	V	W	X

T	U	V	W

U	T	U	V

V	E	F	G

W	D	E	F

X	C	D	E

Y	B	C	D

Z	A	B	C

Rules for Q and J cannot be certain since there is no natural occurrence in the commands, but logic would dictate (a.k.a I'm biased towards :D )

J	S	T	U

Q	X	Y	Z

Edit: You beat me to it :D

Kudos for the start rule. I was way off on that one.

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araver and vineetrika -

it looks like you've created a table bassed on your observations of the known commands. But the password needs to be able to be found without referencing this table. So what rule determines which three letters are associated with each starting letter? this is where I'm lost. in different terms: you should be able to definitively determine the three letters associated with J and Q even though they haven't already been used, right?

edit: oh, and nice job!

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araver and vineetrika -

it looks like you've created a table bassed on your observations of the known commands. But the password needs to be able to be found without referencing this table. So what rule determines which three letters are associated with each starting letter? this is where I'm lost. in different terms: you should be able to definitively determine the three letters associated with J and Q even though they haven't already been used, right?

Correct, I was too bent to confirm that the table is indeed that one.

Rule for vowels is simple:

Go down 1 space in alphabet if left>right neighbor

Go up 1 space in alphabet if left < right neighbor.

Stay where you are if neighbors are equal.

For consonants :

Count the spaces up to the next vowel in the alphabet (e.g. for K next vowel is O)

Count the spaces again from that vowel to arrive at the opposite letter.(e.g. for K - O - S).

This is the letter for equal case.

Same rule as vowels for cases < and >.

Actually its the same rule, just that it's easier to see for vowels first and then extrapolate for consonants.

P.S. The table only makes breaking easier. It should stay under 40 seconds after a little practice.

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IPYUZIPY
Password accepted. System shutting down.

Seems I picked the wrong time to go out, it's all gone down!

Well done indeed araver, I knew you wouldn't let me down.

Credit also to Vineetrika for starting and completing the algorithm.

I was going to note that Cherry Lane is right about not using the table, and challenge you to work out my technique, but as I was typing this araver did just that.

...is very fast in practice, <30 seconds typically (since vowels are trivial). I count up to the next vowel using my fingers (never more than 5 for a consonant) then count the fingers back off to move on the same amount (that's not using an external aid since they are a part of me

:D)

I hope that was a satisfying puzzle, it looked like the final stretch was fun!

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I count up to the next vowel using my fingers (never more than 5 for a consonant) then count the fingers back off to move on the same amount (that's not using an external aid since they are a part of me :D)

Quick someone chop off his hands so that he does not attempt to destroy the rest of the world.

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Quick someone chop off his hands so that he does not attempt to destroy the rest of the world.
I'll have to start counting in binary
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...is very fast in practice, <30 seconds typically (since vowels are trivial). I count up to the next vowel using my fingers (never more than 5 for a consonant) then count the fingers back off to move on the same amount (that's not using an external aid since they are a part of me

:D)

I hope that was a satisfying puzzle, it looked like the final stretch was fun!

Nice technique and indeed the most natural in practice we've seen so far in the games :thumbsup::

Thank you for this challenge, octopuppy. I had so much fun running around in circles over the patterns, until finally seeing it.

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So, any takers for the Evil Mastermind's role? CherryLane, you said something about a try? Dawh, Vineetrika?

Anyone willing?

I killed my half-baked idea and am currently playing a game so I haven't been able to come up with something so far.

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