superprismatic Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Consider the following game: There are 10 opaque boxes with labels A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5. One of the boxes is chosen at random and $14 is placed inside of it. The other boxes contain nothing. The boxes are then stacked in 2 stacks -- boxes A1, A2, A3, A4, and A5 are arranged in order into stack A with A1 on top; similarly, boxes B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5 are arranged in order into stack B with B1 on top. To play this game, you must pay to inspect boxes (explained in the next paragraph) until you find, and get to keep, the $14. You may only take boxes from the top of a stack and pay, in dollars, whatever numeral is on its label. You may then either take (and pay appropriately for) the next box in that stack or switch to the other stack. BUT, if you switch to the other stack, you must restore the stack you have been using to its original order before doing so. You must pay for every box which you take off any stack even if you had previously paid for it. The game ends when you find (and get to keep) the $14. What is the best strategy for playing this game? If you follow the best strategy with every play, how much, on average, would you expect to win on each play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Ah, this is quite easy. The top two boxes average the best profit, which are the only two profitable ones. Meaning A1 and B1. Every box has 10% to contain the riches, meaning on average every box is worth 1.4 dollars. The only boxes worth the risk on prolonged tries are the top ones. Top boxes average a .4 dollar profit each try, so it means, that the top two boxes profit .8 dollars per game on average. That's the best you'll get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Glycereine Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Ah, this is quite easy. The top two boxes average the best profit, which are the only two profitable ones. Meaning A1 and B1. Every box has 10% to contain the riches, meaning on average every box is worth 1.4 dollars. The only boxes worth the risk on prolonged tries are the top ones. Top boxes average a .4 dollar profit each try, so it means, that the top two boxes profit .8 dollars per game on average. That's the best you'll get Agree with everything but went about it a different way: open box 1 of each stack each try means 20% chance of winning. In theory 1 in every 5 games should be a winner. 10 dollars spent on 5 games and 14 dollars won means a 4 dollar profit. 4/5 = 80 cents per game profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 superprismatic Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Ah, this is quite easy. The top two boxes average the best profit, which are the only two profitable ones. Meaning A1 and B1. Every box has 10% to contain the riches, meaning on average every box is worth 1.4 dollars. The only boxes worth the risk on prolonged tries are the top ones. Top boxes average a .4 dollar profit each try, so it means, that the top two boxes profit .8 dollars per game on average. That's the best you'll get You can't stop playing the game whenever you want. The statement "you must pay to inspect boxes (explained in the next paragraph) until you find, and get to keep, the $14" was meant to mean exactly that. So, you have to keep playing (and paying) until you find the $14. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 k-man Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I like this puzzle! Even though it's not very difficult it has an answer that is not intuitive. At first I thought that the best approach would be going through one stack and if the money is not found go through another stack. With this strategy you will spend $14.50 on average if you play long enough, so it's a losing strategy. Since the money is randomly placed in one of the boxes the probability of any box containing the money is equal. Here are the possible outcomes with this strategy: A1: $1 A2: $3 A3: $6 A4: $10 A5: $15 B1: $16 B2: $18 B3: $21 B4: $25 B5: $30 The average of these outcomes is $14.50. I found 2 other strategies that are equally good and will win $.10 per play on average. In other words on average they cost $13.90 to play. Basically, the idea is that you take to top box (or top 2 boxes) from one stack and if the the money isn't there you go through another stack before going back thorough the first. Here are the outcomes and the sequences: Try A1, then go through B stack and finally back to A: A1: $1 B1: $2 B2: $4 B3: $7 B4: $11 B5: $16 A2: $19 A3: $22 A4: $26 A5: $31 Try A1 and A2, then go through B stack and finally back to A: A1: $1 A2: $3 B1: $4 B2: $6 B3: $9 B4: $13 B5: $18 A3: $24 A4: $28 A5: $33 As I already stated both these strategies average $13.90. Attempting to continue this pattern and try 3 boxes from A before going to B will cost you $14.20 per play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Agree with what K-man wrote (not completely though). I worked slightly differently and found that although both strategies give the same expected benefit of 10 cents, the sequence of looking into A1, A2 then switching to B1 to B5 and back to A1 to A5 gives a positive expected outcome for first 6 boxes checked while the strategy of looking into A1 then switching to B1 to 5 and back to A1 to 5 has only first 5 boxes that give positive expected result. See attached figs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 superprismatic Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I like this puzzle! Even though it's not very difficult it has an answer that is not intuitive. At first I thought that the best approach would be going through one stack and if the money is not found go through another stack. With this strategy you will spend $14.50 on average if you play long enough, so it's a losing strategy. Since the money is randomly placed in one of the boxes the probability of any box containing the money is equal. Here are the possible outcomes with this strategy: A1: $1 A2: $3 A3: $6 A4: $10 A5: $15 B1: $16 B2: $18 B3: $21 B4: $25 B5: $30 The average of these outcomes is $14.50. I found 2 other strategies that are equally good and will win $.10 per play on average. In other words on average they cost $13.90 to play. Basically, the idea is that you take to top box (or top 2 boxes) from one stack and if the the money isn't there you go through another stack before going back thorough the first. Here are the outcomes and the sequences: Try A1, then go through B stack and finally back to A: A1: $1 B1: $2 B2: $4 B3: $7 B4: $11 B5: $16 A2: $19 A3: $22 A4: $26 A5: $31 Try A1 and A2, then go through B stack and finally back to A: A1: $1 A2: $3 B1: $4 B2: $6 B3: $9 B4: $13 B5: $18 A3: $24 A4: $28 A5: $33 As I already stated both these strategies average $13.90. Attempting to continue this pattern and try 3 boxes from A before going to B will cost you $14.20 per play. Nicely done, k-man! It's interesting to note that there are also 2 best solutions when there are 5 stacks of sizes 1,2,3,4, and 5. I wonder if there are always 2 for N stacks of sizes 1,2,3,...,N. Hmmmm............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 superprismatic Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Agree with what K-man wrote (not completely though). I worked slightly differently and found that although both strategies give the same expected benefit of 10 cents, the sequence of looking into A1, A2 then switching to B1 to B5 and back to A1 to A5 gives a positive expected outcome for first 6 boxes checked while the strategy of looking into A1 then switching to B1 to 5 and back to A1 to 5 has only first 5 boxes that give positive expected result. See attached figs. Nice way to think of it, especially if there were some slight bias in which box is chosen for the $14. If there were such a bias, the two strategies would almost surely lead to different expected payoffs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Consider the following game:
There are 10 opaque boxes with labels
A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5.
One of the boxes is chosen at random and
$14 is placed inside of it. The other boxes
contain nothing. The boxes are then stacked
in 2 stacks -- boxes A1, A2, A3, A4, and A5
are arranged in order into stack A with A1 on
top; similarly, boxes B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5
are arranged in order into stack B with B1 on
top. To play this game, you must pay to
inspect boxes (explained in the next paragraph)
until you find, and get to keep, the $14.
You may only take boxes from the top
of a stack and pay, in dollars, whatever
numeral is on its label. You may then either
take (and pay appropriately for) the next box
in that stack or switch to the other stack.
BUT, if you switch to the other stack, you must
restore the stack you have been using to its
original order before doing so. You must pay
for every box which you take off any stack
even if you had previously paid for it. The
game ends when you find (and get to keep) the
$14.
What is the best strategy for playing
this game? If you follow the best strategy
with every play, how much, on average, would
you expect to win on each play?
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