bonanova Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 More than 200 years ago it was proved that any construction possible with a compass and straight-edge can be accomplished with a compass alone. It is a simple matter to find the midpoint of a line segment using a compass and a straight-edge. Find the midpoint of a line segment using a compass alone, without using a straight-edge. Or Google. To compare methods, consider that you are given the two points [0, 0] and [0, 1]. You are to locate the point [0, .5]. Bonus for the fewest steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) Reveal hidden contents Mascheroni. Lol, It will be nifty to see if anyone gets below seven circles. Edited April 2, 2009 by Orykle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Reveal hidden contents After drawing two semicircles whose centers are the end points of the line; an arc from their intersection, tangent to line will touch at midpoint of line. This is only a suggestion, I think a touch of tangent isn't a valid way to define a point; an intersection of two arcs is always necessary. I posted this to confirm that this tangent method is valid or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I believe angles maybe required here as well, like 30deg, 60deg etc. Just my 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) You can't actually do every construction as you can't draw a straight line, but for most simple cases, the statement is true. I feel like cheating since I've known this for a long time, but I don't know if it's the shortest steps. Reveal hidden contents Let's make two points A and B and we want to find the midpoint of the segment AB. First we draw a circle centered at B with radius AB. Now with the same radius, we put center at A and mark an arc so that it intersects the circle at point C. Repeat this process with C as center to mark D, and D as center to mark E. Now AB is equal to BE and all three points are on the same line (you basically doubled AB). Now draw a circle centered at A with radius AB. Draw an arc centered at E with radius AE to mark two intersections to circle A. Let's call these two intersection F and G. Now make two arcs, centered at F and G respectively, with radius AF (or AG as they are the same). These two arcs will have an intersection besides A and that is the midpoint of AB. Edited April 2, 2009 by sihyunie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 bonanova Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 nobody said: Reveal hidden contents After drawing two semicircles whose centers are the end points of the line; an arc from their intersection, tangent to line will touch at midpoint of line. This is only a suggestion, I think a touch of tangent isn't a valid way to define a point; an intersection of two arcs is always necessary. I posted this to confirm that this tangent method is valid or not? What if the line is not there - only the two points? In theory your method works, but its accuracy suffers in practice [given the line is there] because of tangency rather then intersection. So if the line is there, I guess a mathematician would say this is a solution, but an engineer would not like it ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 bonanova Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 sihyunie said: You can't actually do every construction as you can't draw a straight line, but for most simple cases, the statement is true. I feel like cheating since I've known this for a long time, but I don't know if it's the shortest steps. Reveal hidden contents Let's make two points A and B and we want to find the midpoint of the segment AB. First we draw a circle centered at B with radius AB. Now with the same radius, we put center at A and mark an arc so that it intersects the circle at point C. Repeat this process with C as center to mark D, and D as center to mark E. Now AB is equal to BE and all three points are on the same line (you basically doubled AB). Now draw a circle centered at A with radius AB. Draw an arc centered at E with radius AE to mark two intersections to circle A. Let's call these two intersection F and G. Now make two arcs, centered at F and G respectively, with radius AF (or AG as they are the same). These two arcs will have an intersection besides A and that is the midpoint of AB. Yeah, that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 For those who have never seen it, the WIMS compass-and-ruler program is really interesting. You can find it here. I used it to create... Reveal hidden contents 1 & 2 are the points that we started with. 9 is the midpoint. Labeled as sihyunie indicated: 1 = A 2 = B 4 = C 5 = D 6 = E 7 & 8 = F & G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 bonanova Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 jb_riddler said: For those who have never seen it, the WIMS compass-and-ruler program is really interesting. You can find it here. I used it to create... Reveal hidden contents 1 & 2 are the points that we started with. 9 is the midpoint. Labeled as sihyunie indicated: 1 = A 2 = B 4 = C 5 = D 6 = E 7 & 8 = F & G Thanks for the sketch - and the drawing program tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 HoustonHokie Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 bonanova said: Thanks for the sketch - and the drawing program tip. And especially thanks for the final pieces to a puzzle that's bugged me for four months now. Way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 (edited) Reveal hidden contents Proof for this construction comes from the fact that 2 isosceles triangles, 189 and 168 in the picture, are similar. If you look at triangle 168, 18 = 12, so the long sides of the triangles are twice as long as the short base. Same applies to 189 since it's similar to 168, so 18 is twice as long as 19, which also implies that 12 is twice 19 as well, this we have a midpoint. Edited April 7, 2009 by sihyunie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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More than 200 years ago it was proved that any construction
possible with a compass and straight-edge can be accomplished
with a compass alone.
It is a simple matter to find the midpoint of a line segment using
a compass and a straight-edge. Find the midpoint of a line segment
using a compass alone, without using a straight-edge. Or Google.
To compare methods, consider that you are given the two points
[0, 0] and [0, 1]. You are to locate the point [0, .5].
Bonus for the fewest steps.
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