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i think the answer is .3536 units

my thought is, i pack the octahedron in by putting 2 rows of 2 on top of one another with one in the midde of all of them.

Thinking of it as four square pyramids on top of one another, the height of one of those pyramids would be .25 units. The side of the pyramid would be x. Then I drew a line from the center of the square where the height bisects to the edge of the pyramid. This creates a right triangle, so solving for x:

.25^2 + (.5*x*sqrt2)^2 = x^2

x=sqrt 0.125

x=.3536

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I think I could stack them in layers of 4, 1, & 4 octahedrons, where the apexes of the top layer touch the apexes of the bottom layer. The single octahedron in the middle layer could fit in the gap in between the other 8. It doesn't come out exactly cubic, so I'm guessing there's some more optimization to be done, but I get a side length of 1 / (2 * sqrt(2)) = 0.3536. My overall volume used only comes out to 9/48, so I imagine there's a more compact arrangement possible.

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i think the answer is .3536 units

my thought is, i pack the octahedron in by putting 2 rows of 2 on top of one another with one in the midde of all of them.

Thinking of it as four square pyramids on top of one another, the height of one of those pyramids would be .25 units. The side of the pyramid would be x. Then I drew a line from the center of the square where the height bisects to the edge of the pyramid. This creates a right triangle, so solving for x:

.25^2 + (.5*x*sqrt2)^2 = x^2

x=sqrt 0.125

x=.3536

I think I could stack them in layers of 4, 1, & 4 octahedrons, where the apexes of the top layer touch the apexes of the bottom layer. The single octahedron in the middle layer could fit in the gap in between the other 8. It doesn't come out exactly cubic, so I'm guessing there's some more optimization to be done, but I get a side length of 1 / (2 * sqrt(2)) = 0.3536. My overall volume used only comes out to 9/48, so I imagine there's a more compact arrangement possible.

Those 9 will surely fit inside the cube. But as HH noticed there's alot of room left inside. ;)

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Nine Octahedrons of equal size are packed inside a 1x1x1 unit cube such that no more can fit inside. What is the maximum length of the edges of the octahedrons?

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Someone has a bunch of role-playing dice...

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I'm gonna go for 3 rows of 3 in my solution:

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Front and Side view

So with this arrangment i think the limiting factor is depth, but i'm not too sure on that. If it is then the max side length i found was .408, this gives us a packing factor of around .289 which is still fairly low, so there's probly some better way.

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could it be as big as you want since 1 could equal 1000 or more or less

They can certainly be as big as you want. As long as they fit inside the 1x1x1 cube.

I'm gonna go for 3 rows of 3 in my solution:

post-14021-1235452503.jpg

Front and Side view

So with this arrangment i think the limiting factor is depth, but i'm not too sure on that. If it is then the max side length i found was .408, this gives us a packing factor of around .289 which is still fairly low, so there's probly some better way.

That's an improvement alright. Here's a hint. The arrangement I'm thinking of

takes up more then half of the volume of the cube, and like some of the earlier packings has one octahedron in the center of the cube.

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Well this kind of has one in the centre, but its in the same plane as the others

:P

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So i noticed that when you cut a cube as shown you get a hexagon, and when you arange the octahedrons like so, you get a hexagonal arangement which happens to fit quite nicely in the box along the plane. With the remaining 2 i put them in the corners.

With this arrangement i get a side length of .4714, and a packing of .44, which is still less than the correct answer, but closer.

Am i on anywhere near the right track?

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Ugh took me a while to figure out that it wasnt an impossible box you'd drawn, but that you'd actually used perspective :P

Thanks for the hint, i would never have gotten it otherwise :)

side length: .53033

packing factor: .6328

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Ugh took me a while to figure out that it wasnt an impossible box you'd drawn, but that you'd actually used perspective :P

Thanks for the hint, i would never have gotten it otherwise :)

side length: .53033

packing factor: .6328

Yeah, you got it. Looking back I should have given you the length and had you try to figure out the packing. It may have been more challenging. Care to post how you arrived at your answer, so I don't have to?

Edit: I can't take credit for the drawing.

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Well i was hoping to avoid writing all this out, but since you asked so nicely:

Just a warning, i usually go about things in the most complicated way, so no doubt there will be an easier way to do this calculation

:)

Let x = side length of octahedron

The height of a square pyramid with side length x can be shown to be x*SQRT(2)/2

Using this we can find out that the angles alpha and beta of the projection of the side view of the octahedron

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to find alpha we use the one of the right angled triangle rules:

tan(alpha) = (x*SQRT(2)/2)/(.5*x)

alpha = arctan(SQRT(2))

The angles in a triangle add up to 180 degrees so:

beta = 180 - 2*arctan(SQRT(2))

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If we look at the cube from the plane shown in red above, we get:

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gamma = 360 - 3*beta

gamma = 360 - 3*(180 - 2*arctan(SQRT(2)))

gamma = 6*arctan(SQRT(2)) - 180

theta = (180 - gamma)/2

theta = 180 - 3*arctan(SQRT(2))

lambda = theta + alpha

lambda = 180 - 3*arctan(SQRT(2)) + arctan(SQRT(2))

lambda = 180 - 2*arctan(SQRT(2))

sin(lambda) = 0.5/x

x = 0.5/sin(lambda)

x = 0.5/sin(180 - 2*arctan(SQRT(2)))

x = 0.53033

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