Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Hooded Figure: Araver 1. Blahblah - Voting for Framm 2. DarthNoob 3. Hirkala - Voting for Blablah 4. EDM - Killed by Secret Alliance 5. JS 6. Framm - Voting for DN 7. Petrus 8. Segul 9. maurice - IMPRISONED by Australia until N2 10. firno - Voting for DN 11. golfjunkie - Voting for DN time to get the conversations going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Framm 18 Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) Why is everyone going for DN, I understand framm was trying to make stuff happen but Golfjunkie then suggested DN was a baddie. Please do not interpret this as a baddie trying to protect another baddie as I am just trying to promote logic and if you can provide a reason for voting DN then tell me. If you do decide to try and get me lynched for this please do it before 12 at night Greenwich mean time. We need to find out who is who, and getting people to talk is the only way to do that. People have a tendency not to talk if they don't have a vote on them. And based on what information I have and the Night Post, odds are that he could be a potential baddie. That is the small part of my reason for voting for him. No, I don't have anything concrete pointing to him being a baddie, but it was a good place to start. Edit: I think that he has enough pressure at the moment, with firno's vote. but it might be a good idea for at least one more person to be pressured. Edited December 22, 2010 by Framm 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) Hooded Figure: Araver 1. Blahblah - Voting for Framm 2. DarthNoob 3. Hirkala - Voting for Blablah 4. EDM - Killed by Secret Alliance 5. JS 6. Framm - Voting for DN 7. Petrus 8. Segul - Voting for Petrus 9. maurice - IMPRISONED by Australia until N2 10. firno - Voting for DN 11. golfjunkie - Voting for DN As good a place to start as any edit:could not get correct colour for Maurice, sorry Edited December 22, 2010 by Segul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) @DN I've already made my role claim... now lets hear your defense rather than a deflection! @Framm what do you wish I wouldn't have done? Edited December 22, 2010 by golfjunkie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 hey anyone recon segul is bad, i mean why go for petrus instead of DN... unles he knows DN is on his team due to BTSC, then again i may just be being paraniod i dont know, i think i'll stick with DN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Framm 18 Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 @Framm what do you wish I wouldn't have done? Did the baddies know who you were, or did you out your role for really no real reason? That is what I wish you hadn't done. @firno: Yes, I just want to hear from DN first. I also want to hear from some more players that have been quiet as well. We have about 9 hours left til the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe's Student Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 A quick question araver: 1) Can Australia imprison themselves? And now to my vote... It appears as if there's a toss-up between two players, whether to believe one or the other. I agree with Framm in that what you said GJ maybe wasn't the wisest thing, for your own sake . There's also an apparent coherence between Framm and GJ, or not, can't tell yet. DN, it doesn't look good for you. In your favour you haven't gone and said what GJ did, unfortunately for you though he's made a bold claim that it's hard to look beyond. If I didn't feel there was something funny that I can't figure out about the DN-GJ-Framm triangle my vote would be a clear one for DN. He could well still be guilty, but I can't shake the feeling that there's more to the aforementioned triangle.. there's still plenty of time A filler vote for now, I'll be on for the rest of the evening to act on the whole DN/Framm/GJ scenario, he's still in the lead to get lynched, I'm going to focus my attention elsewhere. Firno, I was just about to vote for you then I saw your latest post, thought you had voted and then ran. I agree with you about Segul. Segul, do you know something about DN that we don't? Not so much your vote that raised suspicion, more the comments beforehand, they were a bit obscure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe's Student Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Speak up Segul Hooded Figure: Araver 1. Blahblah - Voting for Framm 2. DarthNoob 3. Hirkala - Voting for Blablah 4. EDM - Killed by Secret Alliance 5. JS - voting for Segul 6. Framm - Voting for DN 7. Petrus 8. Segul - Voting for Petrus 9. maurice - IMPRISONED by Australia until N2 10. firno - Voting for DN 11. golfjunkie - Voting for DN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe's Student Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Why is everyone going for DN, I understand framm was trying to make stuff happen but Golfjunkie then suggested DN was a baddie. Please do not interpret this as a baddie trying to protect another baddie as I am just trying to promote logic and if you can provide a reason for voting DN then tell me. If you do decide to try and get me lynched for this please do it before 12 at night Greenwich mean time. I missed this. Don't think I would have voted for Segul had I seen this, not sure, but it's sitting there at the minute, I'll leave it for the time being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe's Student Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Something that I found strange in the post was that Sweden chose to save someone, when that had a chance of hurting their personal WINCON. I don't see why you would want to point this out... if Sweden didn't realise this before, they do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) @DN I've already made my role claim... now lets hear your defense rather than a deflection! @Framm what do you wish I wouldn't have done? So what was your role claim? South Korea? If so, did you message somebody? If you're claiming Russia as part of my earlier analysis, then you're a baddie and I'm going to vote for you (but you might just be a confused goodie that finds me suspicious for some reason). Or are you claiming something that I didn't think of in my analysis? You guys have heard me talk. I'm not going to claim a role unless it gets to crunch time and I have to, because as I've said before I don't want to give information to the baddies if I don't have to. Actually, you seem less and less like a confused goodie, and more like a baddie trying to execute a plan... you keep throwing exclamation marks in my direction. Why not move the pressure around? Hooded Figure: Araver 1. Blahblah - Voting for Framm 2. DarthNoob - Voting for golfjunkie 3. Hirkala - Voting for Blablah 4. EDM - Killed by Secret Alliance 5. JS - voting for Segul 6. Framm - Voting for DN 7. Petrus 8. Segul - Voting for Petrus 9. maurice - IMPRISONED by Australia until N2 10. firno - Voting for DN 11. golfjunkie - Voting for DN Edited December 22, 2010 by DarthNoob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 I missed this. Don't think I would have voted for Segul had I seen this, not sure, but it's sitting there at the minute, I'll leave it for the time being. i also missed this but i still have my suspisions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Framm 18 Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Because the person I think is Sweden (Hirk) knows that that is hurting their WINCON. And I find it hard to believe that someone would have tried to save someone unless it was their self, granted I could be wrong but still, wanting to point it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 @Framm The baddies spied me last nightand they are going to want me dead. I am going to take at least one with me, hence me outing myself. I have more bullets to fire in proof of my goodiness, but for now I will rest on this. @DN you still have offered no defense at all, you just keep flinging vague accusations in my direction with no proof... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 So what was your role claim? South Korea? If so, did you message somebody? If you're claiming Russia as part of my earlier analysis, then you're a baddie and I'm going to vote for you (but you might just be a confused goodie that finds me suspicious for some reason). Or are you claiming something that I didn't think of in my analysis? what is your reasoning that if I claim Russia, I'm a baddie. I'm struggling to find the logic in your first post about this subject that proves I'm a baddie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) what is your reasoning that if I claim Russia, I'm a baddie. I'm struggling to find the logic in your first post about this subject that proves I'm a baddie. I said "as part of my earlier analysis", where I was trying to figure out what you meant with the Afghanistan remark. Either: you're South Korea and you figured out that Russia is dead, or you're Russia and you spied NK, but then you'd be accusing NK and not me, 'cause I know I'm not a baddie Edited December 22, 2010 by DarthNoob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Meh, I've had enough of this. I was hoping to maybe figure out another baddie, and the best I have is maybe Framm (because he voted for me at the very beginning, and he didn't change his vote even when he figured out the Hirkala-Sweden thing), but that's tenuous at best. So, this is what happened guys: golfjunkie, North Korea, spied me, Russia, allowing both of us to learn both of our roles. He can of course claim the equal and opposite claim, and outsiders can't know which is true. It's just a 50/50 chance weighed by analysis of our words. The good news: even if I get lynched, golfjunkie can still get lynched the next day, and North Korea will be dead for sure, which is pretty good considering it's 1/3 of the baddies over two days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Understand now Framm? I was actually spied by DN last night and since he is NK and I am Russia it was revealed to me that he spied me along with his RID. I have another bullet to prove my goodiness however. If I had spied DN I would not have had another action, but I did and I used it to spy you Framm and I know who you are and your action. I think that will.prove my claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) In response to Firnos point, it was partly to get Petrus talking and also because I had little evidence and petrus was silent and no one suspects the silent one. It may well not be a permanent vote. Besides why would I vote for DN, it is bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning, pointless. Golfjunkie keeps on saying DN has provided no defense, you have provided no evidence as far as I can see and this DN.vs.Golfjunkie thing has gone beyond aimless starter votes and now we have role revealing, exciting. Edited December 22, 2010 by Segul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 I only dropped a role hint, I didn't reveal my role until DN outright claimed it. I also provided evidence that DN is lying. There is no other role that can spy BOTH a role and an action. Firno is jumping up the list of baddies quickly. This defense of an outed baddie is grounds for lynching and/or night killing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Framm 18 Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 @GJ: Can you give me some clue, without revealing my role/action that would prove you claim? Just to make me feel a lot better about this. @Segul: You will learn that you have to be able to defend yourself without much evidence against you D1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
araver Posted December 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Sorry for the delay: A quick question araver: 1) Can Australia imprison themselves? 1) Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 In response to Firnos point, it was partly to get Petrus talking and also because I had little evidence and petrus was silent and no one suspects the silent one. It may well not be a permanent vote. Besides why would I vote for DN, it is bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning, pointless. Golfjunkie keeps on saying DN has provided no defense, you have provided no evidence as far as I can see and this DN.vs.Golfjunkie thing has gone beyond aimless starter votes and now we have role revealing, exciting. i understand segul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 @Framm I don't know how to give a hint of your role/action without giving away your role... your action N1 was in vain, but you did not go home empty handed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Framm 18 Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Based on the reply, I would say that DN, Segul, and ??? (BlaBlah?) are the most likely baddies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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