[Guest]

Hi all.

I have recently began studies into gang culture in 17th century Venice and Rome.

The characters of Sampson and Gregory intrigue me, and I am trying to determine

just how an upper-class Italian, arrogant thug, might look in those times.

I have sketched out some ideas using the original text from Romeo and Juliet.

THe following passage is the opening scene, where the two friends of Romeo,

namely Gregory and Sampson, are prattling, in advance of the street fighting.

I wonder if the sketch (attached) gives some idea of Sampson (read his dialogue).

Thanks to everyone.

regards

[Izzy]

Three words: Assassin's Creed II.

(Haha, I was Sampson when we acted this out for English.

[Guest]

Three words: Assassin's Creed II.

(Haha, I was Sampson when we acted this out for English.

AWESOME game. Remember when the being was saying "We're not speaking to you, but through you." Then some line with word "Desmond." Blacks out, you hear Desmond saying, with dramatic pauses between each word "What the f***."

Only thing I DIDN'T like about that game was all the language, and I can't find all those stupid FEATHERS. U kno third assassin's creed will also be Ezio? Okay, more on topic, I don't think it really showed much in Assassin's Creed II.

Truthfully, besides the dress, an arrogant thug would really look like they would today, kinda like they looked like when they were born. ish.

Edited August 1, 2010 by NickFleming

[Guest]

Sorry folks, forgot dialogue, here it is:

ACT I. Scene I. Romeo and Juliet

Verona. A public place.

Enter Sampson and Gregory (with swords and bucklers) of the house

of Capulet.

Samp. Gregory, on my word, we'll not carry coals.

Greg. No, for then we should be colliers.

Samp. I mean, an we be in choler, we'll draw.

Greg. Ay, while you live, draw your neck out of collar.

Samp. I strike quickly, being moved.

Greg. But thou art not quickly moved to strike.

Samp. A dog of the house of Mountague moves me.

Greg. To move is to stir, and to be valiant is to stand.

Therefore, if thou art moved, thou runn'st away.

Samp. A dog of that house shall move me to stand. I will take

the wall of any man or maid of Mountague's.

Greg. That shows thee a weak slave; for the weakest goes to the

wall.

Samp. 'Tis true; and therefore women, being the weaker vessels,

are ever thrust to the wall. Therefore I will push Mountague's men

from the wall and thrust his maids to the wall.

Greg. The quarrel is between our masters and us their men.

Samp. 'Tis all one. I will show myself a tyrant. When I have

fought with the men, I will be cruel with the maids- I will cut off

their heads.

ACT I. Scene I.

Verona. A public place.

Enter Sampson and Gregory (with swords and bucklers) of the house

of Capulet.

Samp. Gregory, on my word, we'll not carry coals.

Greg. No, for then we should be colliers.

Samp. I mean, an we be in choler, we'll draw.

Greg. Ay, while you live, draw your neck out of collar.

Samp. I strike quickly, being moved.

Greg. But thou art not quickly moved to strike.

Samp. A dog of the house of Mountague moves me.

Greg. To move is to stir, and to be valiant is to stand.

Therefore, if thou art moved, thou runn'st away.

Samp. A dog of that house shall move me to stand. I will take

the wall of any man or maid of Mountague's.

Greg. That shows thee a weak slave; for the weakest goes to the

wall.

Samp. 'Tis true; and therefore women, being the weaker vessels,

are ever thrust to the wall. Therefore I will push Mountague's men

from the wall and thrust his maids to the wall.

Greg. The quarrel is between our masters and us their men.

Samp. 'Tis all one. I will show myself a tyrant. When I have

fought with the men, I will be cruel with the maids- I will cut off

their heads.

[Guest]

AWESOME game. Remember when the being was saying "We're not speaking to you, but through you." Then some line with word "Desmond." Blacks out, you hear Desmond saying, with dramatic pauses between each word "What the f***."

Only thing I DIDN'T like about that game was all the language, and I can't find all those stupid FEATHERS. U kno third assassin's creed will also be Ezio? Okay, more on topic, I don't think it really showed much in Assassin's Creed II.

Truthfully, besides the dress, an arrogant thug would really look like they would today, kinda like they looked like when they were born. ish.

Thanks NickFleming for your reply. When you say by the dress do you mean his clothing? I wondered what you might think of his pose?

Reading the text implies Sampson was in the habit of jutting his neck forward. Does this come across in my sketch?

Thanks again

[Guest]

I though this sketch reminded me of a target painting from AC2, but now I now I think it reminds me of Rodrigo Borgia's picture in Wikipedia: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficheiro:Pope_Alexander_Vi.jpg

It's not that similar, but I thought of it for some reason.

I think the neck in your sketch is too long. It looks inhuman. Maybe you could make it smaller and the eyes and mouth more realistic.

And Nick, you should put the AC thing on spoilers. It's kind of the climax of the game