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[slmo]

I agree: A=ambiguous B=swindlecant C=Honestant (I hope)

[AlphaSleuth]

Neat puzzle! I figured that A will never say 'Swindlecant', so B is lying and C is truthful.

[namele]

this is really confusing...

if A says he's an honestant then you still wouldn't know who he is. but if he said he was a swindlecant then he would be a lieing honestant and thats impossible. So A must be a swindlecant.

A can't say he's a swindlecant. B is a swindlecant and C is a Honestant.

ugh....my brain hurts.

[Crystal_619]

B is definately a swindlcant b/c A cannot say he is a Swindlecant.
Which means if B is a Swindlecant, C must be a Honestant b/c he must be truthful that B is lying.
However, we still do not know what A is. We do not know what A said, although, he must always say Honestant so you can not figure it out by that. Also, there is no way to figure out by B or C's comments what he is.

[rage]

The other way to look at this.

If C was a Swindlecast, he/she would say 'Believe B, He is lying'. Therefore he must be Honestant, which means B is a swindlecant. As for A its not clear (as already mentioned).

I know you can argue that C's statement is sort of an order and not an expression, and the same logic of Truth and False does not apply. But comments welcome.

[sweetnsmart]

According 2 my logic -

A- honestant B-swindlecant C- Honestcant

[soldier3001]

There is no way to tell whether A is a Swindlecant or an Honestant. Regardless, in the scenario proposed, the answer to the question that was asked him would ALWAYS be that one is an Honestant because if he was than he would say so, if he is not, than he would lie and say that he is. For B to say that he is a Swindlecant, he must be a Swindlecant because we know what A's answer was. C must be telling the truth than by saying that B is a liar. So C must be an Honestant.
A: who knows
B: Swindlecant
C: Honestant

[Angel 1]

B is a Swindlecant and C is an Honestant. If A was a Swindlecant he would have said he was a Honestant and if B was a Honestant he would have correctly reported that A said he was an Honestant. But B said A said he was a Swindlecant and a Swindlecant never would have admitted that thus B is lying and is a Swindlecant and C said that B was lying so C is an Honestant.

That sounds logical to me and hopefully I explained it in a way that it is logical to others too.

[CR26]

Honestants and Swindlecants I. - Back to the Logic Problems
These are typical logic problems which can be solved by using classic logic operations.
There are two kinds of people on a mysterious island. There are so-called Honestants who speak always the truth, and the others are Swindlecants who always lie.
Three fellows (A, B and C) are having a quarrel at the market. A gringo goes by and asks the A fellow: "Are you an Honestant or a Swindlecant?" The answer is incomprehensible so the gringo asks B: "What did A say?" B answers: "A said that he is a Swindlecant." And to that says the fellow C: "Do not believe B, he is lying!" Who is B and C?

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Honestants and Swindlecants I. - solution
It is impossible that any inhabitant of such an island says: „I am a liar.“ An honestant would thus be lying and a swindlecant would be speaking truth. So B must have been lying and therefore he is a swindlecant. And that means that C was right saying B is lying – so C is an honestant. However, it is not clear what is A.

This is a simple one of most, giving C the title of being an Honestant would make B a Swindlecant, and A an Honestant, since B said A was a Swindlecant, and it was a lie according to C, A must have been an Honetant

B said A was a Swindlecant, but C said that B was lying. C was an honestant according to the solution, then B was a Swindlecant, making A an honestant

[sunshipballoons]

B said A was a Swindlecant, but C said that B was lying. C was an honestant according to the solution, then B was a Swindlecant, making A an honestant

B did not say that A is a Swindlecant. B said that A said, "I am a Swindlecant." B was not saying what A was, only what A said A was. That is why the people who say A is an Honestant are wrong.