Guest Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 I've been working on this puzzle for almost 4 months now and i'm no closer to solving it. The problem is...i suck at logic problems in general. Perhaps someone else may have better luck then me. See attached file or link below. Hard Puzzle.rtf https://www.box.net/...8ts7nggn5mcaim7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 I just wanted to point out the fairly remarkable coincidence that the first row of Pickett's updated chart (8,7,?,4,1,?,?,2,?) agrees with the fibonacci sequence taken mod 9 (the first row values are in bold): 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,4,3,7,1,8,0,8,8,7,6,4,1,5,6,2,8,... I agree....that is a remarkable coincidence. I guess that is the sequence being used...now to figure out the correct/logical path being used in this grid. Great find superprismatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 I might have a 24 number repeating sequence figured out...now to figure out the pattern used to fill the grid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 superprismatic Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 I might have a 24 number repeating sequence figured out...now to figure out the pattern used to fill the grid But, there are 9s in the grid. So, the numbers can't be all mod 9. Confusing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CaptainEd Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 It seems like an incredible coincidence. Maybe the 0s have been replaced with 9s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) Thanks to all for their great finds and suggestions. I never would have found this connection and without that info...you are lost.... <P>The Fibonacci sequence mod 9 makes sense and it repeats itself after twenty-four terms. I agree that the 0s in the mod 9 sequence have been replaced with 9s in the grid. I'm trying to work some logical paths through the grid that fit with the 5x 9's shown in the grid. Hopefully i can make it fit.<BR></P> Edited September 29, 2011 by ragh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Molly Mae Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 But why take the sequence mod 9, begin at an arbitrary point (not the beginning), and then modify the sequence by swapping 0's and 9's? It seems like a bit of a stretch to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 But why take the sequence mod 9, begin at an arbitrary point (not the beginning), and then modify the sequence by swapping 0's and 9's? It seems like a bit of a stretch to me. You're right....it is a bit of a stretch. I doesnt make sense to swap the 0's for 9's. Maybe the 9's are in the 9x20 grid to throw us off or maybe they are meant as a type of redirect or a trigger that tells us to stop the sequence and restart the sequence from the beginning again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I've tried the fibonacci sequence mod 9 (and replacing the 0's with 9's) but it only fits the first line. I've tried going around in a "hulahoop" pattern, going straight across each line, down the columns and it just can't work in any of those directions. Maybe there's some other pattern with the Barbapapa code? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) edited Edited September 30, 2011 by ragh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Molly Mae Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) Hunt at your own risk. Review the diagnostic page for Barbapapa. I think it's a trap. Edited September 30, 2011 by Molly Mae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Hunt at your own risk. Review the diagnostic page for Barbapapa. I think it's a trap. Thanks Molly Mae, this is certainly good to know. I'm going to forward that link to the geocache puzzle owner and see what he has to say about it. I did a full scan and I haven't picked up any Malicious software. Fortunately i didnt click on any of the links, as the main page was all that was needed to rearrange the columns. You says you think it's a trap. Please expand on this. Are you saying the person who created this geocache puzzle, has deliberately set a trap in an effort to spread malicious software? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Molly Mae Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Thanks Molly Mae, this is certainly good to know. I'm going to forward that link to the geocache puzzle owner and see what he has to say about it. I did a full scan and I haven't picked up any Malicious software. Fortunately i didnt click on any of the links, as the main page was all that was needed to rearrange the columns. You says you think it's a trap. Please expand on this. Are you saying the person who created this geocache puzzle, has deliberately set a trap in an effort to spread malicious software? No, that's unlikely. I was just quoting Admiral Ackbar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I've tried the fibonacci sequence mod 9 (and replacing the 0's with 9's) but it only fits the first line. I've tried going around in a "hulahoop" pattern, going straight across each line, down the columns and it just can't work in any of those directions. Maybe there's some other pattern with the Barbapapa code? I've pretty much done the same. Nothing seems to fit. Apparently a few have solved it. I'd sure like to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 http://www.barbapapa.fr The letters at the top of the columns can be rearranged to be BARBAPAPA (see above link)...and the colors of the characters on that page match the colors at the top of the grid...that seems WAY to coincidental to me...Plus the colors of the letters match up with the character's colors in the name BARAPAPA. Finally, the site above is the "official site" (remember the clue was sometimes it's best to use official resources)...So that site HAS to contain the answer.... The only purpose of the "official site" is to rearrange the columns. The puzzle creator confirmed this. Once the columns are arranged correctly you can remove the letters as they are no longer useful. Now we have a 9x20 grid with 20 numbers, 154 ?'s and A,B,C,D,E and F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) I'm just musing here... We know Pickett's updated chart (8,7,?,4,1,?,?,2,?) agrees with a segment of fibonacci sequence taken mod 9 (the first row values are in bold): 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,4,3,7,1,8,0,8,8,7,6,4,1,5,6,2,8,... The fibonacci sequence mod 9 doesnt appear to fit into 180 cell 9x20 grid using 0's or 9's. The 2 double 4's in column 5 and the 2x 9's in row 4 and 8 are sticking out to me. Is it a trap or was it put there to assist with solving the puzzle. The 4 double numbers in rows 1, 3 and 5 is sticking out to me. Is it a trap or was it put there to assist with solving the puzzle? Is it likely that there are at least 2 or maybe more identical rows? The 5 scattered 9's in the grid is a clue maybe and put there for a reason. Is it possible they are the only 9's in the entire grid? Do we fill in the grid from top to bottom someway or do we start from the middle and work our way out? I removed the letters on top because they are no longer required. Edited October 1, 2011 by ragh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Molly Mae Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Is it likely that there are at least 2 or maybe more identical rows? I came to the same conclusion based on the 4 ? ? 9 and the stacked 4's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I've reached out to a mathematics professor with a Ph.D. Maybe he might be able to shed some light or offer some insight into this enigma. Surprisingly he responded right away and said he will take a look at it tomorrow. If he can't shed any light on this, then who can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 <<<is pulling his hair out and going . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Wilson Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 873412927 going around like a hulahoop, Can't fill in the whole grid, but if on the right path then direction (i think) changes for the bottom half. Took a leap of faith to guess last two rows, perhaps.. 872921437 872921437 Leads to a colourful building with some junk in front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 873412927 going around like a hulahoop, Can't fill in the whole grid, but if on the right path then direction (i think) changes for the bottom half. Took a leap of faith to guess last two rows, perhaps.. 872921437 872921437 Leads to a colourful building with some junk in front. You are probably right Wilson. The "Hulahup..." title is meant to give us 2 hints. The first is tied into the "Hup Hup Hup, Barbatruc" french saying when Barbapapa is shapeshifting. The second hint probably implies that the puzzle is solved by multiple number sequence circle (Hula hoop) patterns. The problem is figuring out how to fit it into the grid in a way that the next row is determined by the previous rows numbers, working are way down to the bottom. The following words from the puzzle description keep replaying in my head... "the right choice"s" and "logic" will be required to fill in the grid. What kind if choices?....starting seeds (numbers)?....direction?...shape?...etc. The puzzle obviously goes from top to bottom...the big question is how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Wilson Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 (edited) Start with 873412927 Number in the left hand column gives the moves forward for the next row? If a 2 appears in the right hand column then repeat that row once again? If an 8 appears in column 5 then do a 180 to get next row? Had to work back to get row 11 as 278734129. (which probably indicates that this is all wrong) A4 B7 C1 D2 E7 F9 Sorry, don't seem to be able to attach or paste my grid. Edited October 10, 2011 by Wilson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Start with 873412927 Number in the left hand column gives the moves forward for the next row? If a 2 appears in the right hand column then repeat that row once again? If an 8 appears in column 5 then do a 180 to get next row? Had to work back to get row 11 as 278734129. (which probably indicates that this is all wrong) A4 B7 C1 D2 E7 F9 Sorry, don't seem to be able to attach or paste my grid. Interesting idea Wilson and i appreciate your efforts. It's too bad the coordinates N45 26.471 W75 44.279 put you on private property in someones backyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Guest Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Had any more luck with this? Just curious to know if your professor figured it out. It sure is a tricky one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 brain Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Any luck with this puzzle?? I also have been looking at this for quite sometimes and I am still scratching my head... The owner says that here is no needs to rearrange anything. ""Il faut juste remplir la grille et la première ligne (celle avec les lettres en couleur) est le point de départ. Vous n'avez pas besoin de "remettre en ordre" quoi que ce soit. Les colonnes et les lignes doivent demeurer telles quelles."" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CaptainEd Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Do we suppose he means that we don't have to reorder AFTER it reads BARBAPAPA? or we shouldn't reorder it from the OP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I've been working on this puzzle for almost 4 months now and i'm no closer to solving it. The problem is...i suck at logic problems in general. Perhaps someone else may have better luck then me. See attached file or link below.
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https://www.box.net/...8ts7nggn5mcaim7
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