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I shouldnt make this into another debate but for #6: remember we were all immigrants at one point.
I know the disagree for #2 won, and for #6, both teams tied. jus' sayn.g
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im here.
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disagree with 1, 2, 5, and 6; i agree with 4.
i have no idea about anything else.
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ok: the debate topics:
Topic #1: The government should ban the sale of candy and soda in all schools.
Topic #2: The United States is justified in its use of torture to combat terrorism.
Topic #3: The market is more efficient than regulation in determining fuel efficiency.
Topic #4: Marijuana should be legalized.
Topic #5: The death penalty should be abolished.
Topic #6: All illegal immigrants should be deported.
Topic #7: The United States should break its alliance with Pakistan.
Topic #8: The government should provide healthcare for all of its citizens.
also some phillyD news (or what he says is news - i havent read it yet) from today:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/01/fema-to-demand-that-hurri_n_869584.html
http://tribune.com.pk/story/179484/hrcp-expresses-grave-concern-over-journalists-disappearance/
http://istyosty.com/tmp/cache/be1f992817340ecf4bccb30cfd5e246648a7342b.html
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I'm playing, too.....only half alive...the other half is sleeping, shopping, packing, eating, etc......
GO GOODIES!!!
:D 
i hope you have a baddie roll just so i can be right. -
I can't understand why. Safari really can't even match up to Chrome. If anything in my list should change, it might be a Chrome and Opera swap. But I don't even think I'll do that.
ok then. explain why i should switch to chrome. other than the picture editing site that only works on it...but i just use my freinds computer for that.
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...i also still have my list of debates from history somewhere, if you need more topics.
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I feel like I'm barging in on someone else's conversation here but I like this topic.
The difference between an unborn fetus and an unconscious/comatose person is indeed a tricky one, and truth be told I think it's all just a matter of opinion rather than some absolute rule. However if you don't draw some sort of a line you get into all sorts of absurdities and before you know what's what you're a catholic. So here's my take on it: an unconscious person has been a functioning person in the past and probably will be in the future. A fetus is a potential person. It has not been a person in the past but given the right circumstances could be made into one in the future, maybe. It could turn out to be a wonderful kind person, or an axe murderer, or still-born. It is all potential. Anything you could say about the type of person that fetus will be, would be a guess. The same cannot be said of the unconscious person. Their personality, mind and will, is already manifest, it just happens to be temporarily out of action.
Treating a potential person as a real person is inherantly unworkable. It would morally oblige us to be having unprotected sex constantly in order that as many potential people as possible are brought into existence. Actual people must be given far greater priority, if only because the alternative is unworkable.
that. is. amazing.
ok. on a more serious note, i agree, so this wont be off-topic. but that line...I started cracking up.
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I think what needs to be remembered is that the fetus is not a human being yet, nor is it scientifically alive until around 6 months. All it is is another organ, except it's an organ that gives nothing back to the body (yes, it will be a human eventually, but we must remember that it isn't until six month.)
So, let's just see where everyone stands:
1. Would it be OK with you if it was a threat to the mother's life?
2. If it was rape?
3. If it was already dead? (I only put this here because there are some nutjobs who want to force the mother to go through with the miscarriage).
All three are yes for me, and I'm sure that at least the first will get a resounding yes from most people.
So now we move on to the rest of the abortions.
I personally, as i think I said before, hate abortions. I don't like it. I would much prefer to allow the child to be born and have it be adopted (if it wasn't one of the three above cases).
But this issue (most of the time) is not pro- or anti- abortion. It's pro- or anti- choice (pro-life is a disguised version of anti-choice).
And since the fetus is not a human until later on (I'm against late-term abortions except in extreme cases), and is really only a parasite that isn't even fully alive by scientific standards, then I think we should let the mother exercise her right of choice over her body. If she wanted to remove her tonsils, would you care? What if she wished to remove a tumor? Or a parasite? For me the answer is no. Thus, until it becomes human, I have no problem with it. Some say not until it can suffer, which is a little earlier than when it become human. This is fine too. But let's be honest with ourselves: Life does not begin at conception. That zygote is not anything more than a human cell, and if you wish not to kill that, well, I hope you've never rubbed or scratched or touched your skin. I hope you haven't bitten your tongue, or rubbed your eye. And i hope you haven't had any periods (for women obviously); as Carlin points out, most fertilized eggs don't ever attach, and are released from the body "during those delightful few days she has"
.So unless anyone would like to actually counter this point, I return to my original thought line: It's not human until later, it can't suffer until later. It's nothing more than a tonsil or a parasite.
So, yeah, that's why i'm pro-choice (which does not, as some conservatives and pro-lifers claim, mean I am pro-abortion).
1) yes
2) yes
3) yes
~i dont aprove of it as a method of birthcontrol/"plan c", but what about all the other children in the orphanages? What does adding in more kids do? just saying.
~"delightful" <_<
~so yeah, i agree (except for one thing), but i wanted to reply anyways. just to reply to the questions, and bring up that one point.
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ill watch it!
and i love watching religous debates...
Im not good with ideas, but something to think about is looking at other youtuber-news things. Philip Defranco, for one, has a lot of randomness. however, he also has some good stories, and provides links. if you go back to those sites again and again, you may find some topics. also: westboro baptist church vs. kkk. I dont know why i find it hilarious (ok, i do), but i do. so yeah.
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yep. sorry.
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handcuff
foribid
searched
younger
garbage
champion
brave
conciliatory
internet
ping-pong
tear
scarred
telephone
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that made me laugh.
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so a water dance party?
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Right but who are you (or anyone, or the mother) to judge someone's quality of life? Even if they have a bad childhood in an orphanage, they might go out and conquer the world one day. I don't think it's morally permissible to say someone should not be born if they'll be unwanted.
they may go out and conquer teh world someday. i never said they wouldnt. but this kind of goes back to the point of using every bit of DNA. Say the mom doesn't want the baby. then who gets to decide? the unborn baby? the dad? Who should make the decision? My point is NOT about the wealth. i was using that as an example, and i guess it was a bad example. Its more of a, "If unborn baby X was unwanted and a burden to their parents, why is unwanted baby x, before s/he was a baby, any different from all the other little bits of lovely-ness floating around? they never knew life, and (most likely) never affected anyone other than the parents. Granted, im not saying use this as another form of birth control, or a "Plan C," but what about the abandoned kids, and kids in orphanages. what if the kid goes there? sure, s/he may go out and do something great, but you could argue that the potential of it is just as likely as the potential of all the bits of dna that didnt get used. Why add to the numbers of kids in orphanages? Im not saying that that WILL happen, im just saying that if the mom doesnt want it, who are YOU to say that she needs to go through nine months of pain and the possibility of dieing or injury to give birth to a kid she doesnt want?
Agreed, though my point is, let's say someone is knocked unconscious or deep asleep or something and they'll wake up in 8 hours. They're not conscious, they're not "thinking", but they WILL, in another 8 hours. Sure you could kill them right now, but you agree that would be murder yes? Because they'll wake up in 8 hours and be fine. Likewise, the fetus may not be thinking yet but it'll wake up in 8 hours, 9 months, whatever, and be fine. It's "sleeping" and it will indeed most likely wake up (normal dangers of childbirth aside as it's been said) and then be alive
Say likely. not "will." theres no "will." you make me sound like a murderer.
this may sound really cruel, im warning you, but think of it like this: will they be missed/did they ever make an impact on someones life/will they feel it?
coma patient:
1) i assume, yes
2) i assume, yes
3) no
unborn baby:
1) if the mom and dad dont want the baby, then no.
2) the KNOWLEDGE of they baby maybe, the its not alive yet. so ill say no. feel free to disagree.
3) no
unwanted kid that never knew someone:
1) maybe. maybe not. lets say they're 100% unwanted. then no.
2) probably, but even if you argue no, theres number 3
3) yes. unless they're the one whos almost dead on the streets, in which case, they'll probably be dead anyways, since no one knew them
I add that last one in there to show similarites/differences between that and the second thing. if the mom/dad doesnt want it, then they'll probably not want to tell about it or brag. this is me guessing, i have no knowledge of how it works. i know if it were me, i would brag about having an unwanted baby in my belly. if the unwanted kid knows no one, then they may die anyways. but the odds are that the kid has made an impact, good or bad, on someones life. there are a gazillion kids that are like that in orphanages and on the streets today. Why should anyone other than the mom be able to say if they want to add to that number?? If they can feel it, than immediatly no. after a certain age, when the brain starts functioning in the kid, i say make a deadline for abortion. but if its unwanted from the start, if getting it aborted makes no difference at all, except to the parents, then why should anyone else have a say??
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cooked broccoli with artichoke sause - good. other than that, meh.
awwwww...
cute wittle kid -
Indie/=Baddie (/= means not equal)
I never said she was a baddie. my point was her "signature" should have been "go liquids and whoever else happens to win!"
just saying.
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Peace....no lying to Yodell....
@Yodell: As a baddie, I'm a terrible liar, I don't post the sign and I rarely post......As a goodie, I'm still a terrible liar, but I do the other two...
Again...GO GOODIES!!!
:D o.O minecraft mafia. you were a LIQUID!
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lawl indeed. Of course, you could always use good old fashioned ROFL's, LMAO's, and my personal favorite, ROFLMAO
dont forget
ROFLMAOAITIGTDUISCAIREIOWTW
rolling on the floor laughing my a** off and i think i going to die until i smell chocolate and i realize everything is okay with the world
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Roles are all out.
Peace, I am willing to make N1 last until Saturday so you can stay. Please let me know.
Prologue will be up as soon as I talk to Aki.
ok. sounds good. im sorry if i sound like "its all about me!" but exams. bleh.
thanks!
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That's pretty cruel and closeminded. I'm not trying to be rude here but just because someone has less money than you doesn't mean they're unhappy or deserve to never have been born...
my point is that what if it was better that they never had. Im not trying to say that people who are poor dont deserve to live. my point is that there are cases where its better for person X to have not entered a situation. ok. so weve talked about the "what if, by being born, the baby and the mom would (probably) die? what then?" situation. and by "probably" i mean that theres some sort of complication wehre they KNOW. im not talking about the regular dangers of childbirth. but what if 1) that baby was born in a place where there wasn't any medical care so the mom and the baby have a liklyhood of dieing (and, just saying, this is for people who would WANT ABORTIONS. this isnt a "im in this part of society so i have to do ____), and the mom had the option, and she WANTED TO. what if the baby would be unwanted, and would grow up in a home where they had to live a not-so-good quality life in an unwanted home. Its not about the poor. its a "waht if." what would be better? this doesnt mean we need to pass a law saying you HAVE to get an abortion, this is for an OPTION.
but i understnad your point. im sorry it sounded that way.
What about someone who's asleep? in a coma? unconscious? they're not thinking. But they WILL when they wake up (or get born, in the fetus's case).
this is why controversial topics are controversial. many people who are in a coma, and its known that they wont wake up will go off life support.
ever read My Sister's Keeper?
and remember - its not a WILL, its a LIKELY. theres never a 100% change that the baby will survive. things happen. they do. if they're likely to wake up, most people will keep them on life support. but someone has to pay. if you nor your family can pay for you to be on life support, then who pays? the government? do you think that THEY'LL keep you on life support for as long as necessary? I dont know.
agreed. That's why it's a sticky situation.... one view is that when the sperm and egg come together, then it's life. But even that presumption stands on thin ice...
from what i understand, it comes down to almost a "survivor of the fittest." but at the same time, what if the fittest doesnt get used for that purpose...im just going to hope you understand what im saying.
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Peace, it may be before June 4. Can you be available Thursday? That is the earliest I can see it ending.
then drop me out. ill watch it, but id rather not have to worry about both. my spot is now open.
Hello 2 U 2 EDM !! Nice to meet u
about that signature ... what happens if u're a baddie :-??
she says it anyways
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JK Rowling: Shadow7
Random House: Akriti
1. PEACE
2. nox
3. Aaryan
4. Anon26
5. yoDell
6. Thalia
7. Chaits
8. Q-Cumber
9. Slick
10. Araver
11. EDM
12. Auramyna
13. Segul
We have a full roster. N1 post will be up when I have all actions. Roles are going out soon. Prologue will be up as soon as I get a chance to
talk to Akriti.
night 1 ends june 4th, right?
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1) two letters have to be next to each other in the word and in the alphabet
...some excpetions: banana, lighthouse, year
2) the word must have a word within a syllable thats not already a word
...exceptions: danger, graduating
^^ i dont know if someone can build off of those, but...
in New Logic/Math Puzzles
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...and would you want video responces, or just text comments?