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90 logicians went to a restaurant.

3 of them had a pork pie, beer, and spotted dick. 24 of them had a pork pie; 5 of them had a pork pie and beer; 33 had beer; 10 had a beer and spotted dick; 38 had spotted dick; 8 had spotted dick and a pork pie.

How many of the logicians had nothing?

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90 logicians went to a restaurant.

3 of them had a pork pie, beer, and spotted dick. 24 of them had a pork pie; 5 of them had a pork pie and beer; 33 had beer; 10 had a beer and spotted dick; 38 had spotted dick; 8 had spotted dick and a pork pie.

How many of the logicians had nothing?

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24 pork pie + 33 beer + 38 spotted dick = 95 = (pork only) + (beer only) + (spot only) + 2*((pork/spot) + (pork/beer) + (beer/spot)) + 3*(pork/beer/spot)

95 - 5 pork/beer - 10 beer/spot - 8 spot/pork = 72 = (pork only) + (beer only) + (spot only) + (pork/spot) + (pork/beer) + (beer/spot)

72 + 3 pie/beer/spot = 75= (pork only) + (beer only) + (spot only) + (pork/spot) + (pork/beer) + (/beer/spot) + (pork/beer/spot)

90 -75 = 15 who had nothing

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I solved this by using Venn Diagrams - stuff I learned when I was about 13. It was called 'modern mathematics' then.

My answer unsurprisingly agrees with the above correspondents (except the first one)

See attachment for diagramsolution.doc

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34

We start with 90 total logicians.

We know that 24 had pork pie (PP), 33 had beer (B) and 38 had spotted dick (SD).

We also know that 5 had both PP and B, 10 had B and SD, 8 had PP and SD and finally 3 had all three PP, B and SD.

Let us start by assuming that the 24 that had PP could also have had the B and/or SD, also that the 33 B could have had PP and/or SD and similarly that the 38 SD could have had PP and/or B.

Since it looks like 95 people had at least the PP, B or SD (24 PP + 33 B + 38 SD) there must be some that are counted multiple times so let's start eliminating the extraneous counts.

There are 10 people that are counted both in the 33 B and the 38 SD so we must eliminate them from one of the counts.

(24 PP + 33 B + (38 SD - 10 B,SD)) = 85

There are also 8 people that are counted both in the 24 PP and the 38 SD so we must eliminate them from one of the counts while keeping the previous eliminations.

(24 PP + 33 B + (38 SD - 10 B,SD - 8 PP,SD)) = 77

There are also another 5 people counted twice in each of the 24 PP and 33 B which must be eliminated from one of the counts while keeping the previous eliminations.

(24 PP + (33 B - 5 PP,B) + (38 SD - 10 B,SD - 8 PP,SD)) = 72

Finally there are 3 people who are counted three times each in the 24 PP, 33 B and 38 SD which must be eliminated from two of the counts while again keeping the previous eliminations.

(24 PP + (33 B - 5 PP,B - 3 PP,B,SD) + (38 SD - 10 B,SD - 8 PP,SD - 3 PP,B,SD)) = 66

We now have the true count of who had any of the pork pie (PP), beer (B) and spotted dick (SD) as being 66 of the 90 logicians. It is now a simple matter of subtraction to determine who did not eat any of the three foods.

(90 logicians - 66 PP|B|SD) = 34

Therefore, 34 of the 90 did not eat any of the pork pie, beer and spotted dick.

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Edit to my earlier post: adding Venn Diagram solution

PP circle contains 24 total which is split into 8 PP only, 5 PP and B, 8 PP and SD and 3 PP, B and SD

SD circle contains 38 total which is split into 17 SD only, 8 PP and SD, 10 B and SD and 3 PP, B and SD

B circle contains 33 total which is split into 15 B only, 5 PP and B, 10 B and SD and 3 PP, B and SD

Add each segment together and you have (8 PP + 15 B + 17 SD + 5 PP,B + 8 PP,SD + 10 B,SD + 3 PP,B,SD) = 66

(90 - 66) = 34 not in either circle

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34

We start with 90 total logicians.

We know that 24 had pork pie (PP), 33 had beer (B) and 38 had spotted dick (SD).

We also know that 5 had both PP and B, 10 had B and SD, 8 had PP and SD and finally 3 had all three PP, B and SD.

Let us start by assuming that the 24 that had PP could also have had the B and/or SD, also that the 33 B could have had PP and/or SD and similarly that the 38 SD could have had PP and/or B.

Since it looks like 95 people had at least the PP, B or SD (24 PP + 33 B + 38 SD) there must be some that are counted multiple times so let's start eliminating the extraneous counts.

There are 10 people that are counted both in the 33 B and the 38 SD so we must eliminate them from one of the counts.

(24 PP + 33 B + (38 SD - 10 B,SD)) = 85

There are also 8 people that are counted both in the 24 PP and the 38 SD so we must eliminate them from one of the counts while keeping the previous eliminations.

(24 PP + 33 B + (38 SD - 10 B,SD - 8 PP,SD)) = 77

There are also another 5 people counted twice in each of the 24 PP and 33 B which must be eliminated from one of the counts while keeping the previous eliminations.

(24 PP + (33 B - 5 PP,B) + (38 SD - 10 B,SD - 8 PP,SD)) = 72

Finally there are 3 people who are counted three times each in the 24 PP, 33 B and 38 SD which must be eliminated from two of the counts while again keeping the previous eliminations.

(24 PP + (33 B - 5 PP,B - 3 PP,B,SD) + (38 SD - 10 B,SD - 8 PP,SD - 3 PP,B,SD)) = 66

We now have the true count of who had any of the pork pie (PP), beer (B) and spotted dick (SD) as being 66 of the 90 logicians. It is now a simple matter of subtraction to determine who did not eat any of the three foods.

(90 logicians - 66 PP|B|SD) = 34

Therefore, 34 of the 90 did not eat any of the pork pie, beer and spotted dick.

You made a mistake friend.

The three who have had all SD, PP, and B

were counted 3 times when you added

24 PP + 33 B + 38 SD

however they were also subtracted 3 times when you subtracted

-10 B,SD -8 PP,SD - 5 PP,B

Since they were added 3 times and then subtracted 3 times it is as if they were never counted at all.

You must therefore add them back again as a lone group.

+ 3 SD,PP,B

So you then have

(24+33+38) -(10 + 8 + 5) + (3) = 75

Which gives an answer of 15.

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uh i used venn diagram too so i have no idea how they got 34... and i did my math wrong its actually 15 oops

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with the venn diagrams. I forgot to split the 3 PP, B & SD people from the PP & B, PP & SD, and B & SD groups which results in:

PP total = 24 = 14 PP + 2 PP & B + 5 PP & SD + 3 PP, B & SD

B total = 33 = 21 B + 2 PP & B + 7 B & SD + 3 PP, B & SD

SD total = 38 = 23 SD + 5 PP & SD + 7 B & SD + 3 PP, B & SD

14 PP + 2 PP & B + 5 PP & SD + 3 PP, B & SD + 21 B + 7 B & SD + 23 SD = 75 PP|B|SD

90 L - 75 PP|B|SD = 15 ¬PP|B|SD

You made a mistake friend.

The three who have had all SD, PP, and B

were counted 3 times when you added

24 PP + 33 B + 38 SD

however they were also subtracted 3 times when you subtracted

-10 B,SD -8 PP,SD - 5 PP,B

Since they were added 3 times and then subtracted 3 times it is as if they were never counted at all.

You must therefore add them back again as a lone group.

+ 3 SD,PP,B

So you then have

(24+33+38) -(10 + 8 + 5) + (3) = 75

Which gives an answer of 15.

I see now where I messed up. I can't believe I missed the fact that the PP, B & SD group was counted among the PP, B, SD, PP & B, PP & SD and B & SD groups.

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90 logicians went to a restaurant.

3 of them had a pork pie, beer, and spotted dick. 24 of them had a pork pie; 5 of them had a pork pie and beer; 33 had beer; 10 had a beer and spotted dick; 38 had spotted dick; 8 had spotted dick and a pork pie.

How many of the logicians had nothing?

90-3=87.

87-2=85.

85-7=78.

78-9=70.

70-11=59.

59-18=41.

41-18=23.

23 had nothing.

But- there is another solution! It is unknown! For others could have eaten other stuff!

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