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#31 Duh Puck

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 12:26 PM

Is yours, mine and others thought process being slowed by our physical being. I’m implying we have a spirit and could exist outside the physical realm.

Well, it seems pretty clear that the speed of human thought is limited by the electro-chemical systems controlling brain activity, but "speed" outside the physical realm is certainly a nebulous concept. While I don't personally believe I have a spirit that exists apart from my body, I do believe in spirit creatures (God, angels, etc.), so the question certainly applies. When angels described in the Bible interact with the physical realm, were they transferring from a condition without time? I think that's rather unlikely, but it's only a guess based on the idea that, according to scripture, only God (and not the angels, or even Jesus) knew the details concerning the final day and hour (Matt 24:36). If God were to have created other spirit creatures after the start of the universe (and thus the beginning of time), then it seems reasonable that they would not have the same ability as God to avoid that limitation of time, and thus we could associate a speed with their rate of thought. As to what that might be? I'm gonna guess fast. Real fast.
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#32 Lost in space

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 12:54 PM

MMMM! - Gets very deep these type of topics,. Many people have this curious or "maybe" type thought of existing in another form or no form Long before matrix came along - since the begining of mankind I or soon after. Curiosity is a great way to develop creative or investigative thinking.

Anyway, we have yet to truly discover our selves (self), let alone the planet and then there is the universe to.

Wonderful life in it! - lets treat it accordingly.
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Posted 21 February 2008 - 11:34 PM

However, non believers or those that need proof will try to discover through science incontrovertible proof / evidence to feel safe. The bigger picture is to discover your own reality and not feel unsafe or confused. Enjoy exploring knowledge proven, unproven or disproved. Errors are made as well as discoveries. If you find knowledge fun or relaxing or both then faith in yourself and others can be as important as belief and deity worship or idol necessity.

if you're trying to say that atheists are "unsafe" and "confused" because we don't believe in a god, you are very wrong, my friend. In fact we are safer and less confused than we are, because there are no errors or paradoxes in what we know. Our knowledge is adamant and firm. We are not tryng to "discover through science incontrovertible proof to feel safe" as you are suggestion. We are discovering such proofs to find the truth of life. And if you are shying away from what we have found to be self-evident than YOU are the one shying away from knowledge just to feel safe with your notion of God instead of exploring oppposite notions.

First you neeed to prove you exist - I think therefor I am. Is not a conclusive statement.

Do we believe?
Do we NEED to believe?

I believe in fellowship. Am I one of a kind? Now there is a subject to get your teeth into.

yep I exist :P that doesnt mean that a God made me exist though
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#34 Lost in space

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 11:48 PM

To clarify
Some feel "safe" with knowledge that suits their beliefs. Safe is not a case of free from peril, more like "comforable".
I have no intention of declaring that there is or is not a god. Further, i will not put myself in any particular bracket atheist or otherwise and yes i have made up my mind. I still can't accept the various explanations of how "WE" came to exist. Hence - I am glad to be hear too. Weather it be a real exixtance or not.

I'll stick to my original statement - I believe in fellowship.
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