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# Honestants and Swindlecants I.

### #31

Posted 11 October 2008 - 08:45 PM

The answer was incomprehensible, so B wouldn't have understood it, and if he was telling the truth, he'd have said, "I don't know." But B couldn't understand him and said that A was a Swindlecant, so B must have been lying, making C a Honestant.

### #32

Posted 26 October 2008 - 09:03 AM

going on the logic that Swindlecants can ONLY lie, B's statement "A said he was a Swindlecant" MUST have been a lie. and therefore the opposite must be true. A is a Honestant.

### #33

Posted 01 November 2008 - 09:38 AM

one is a swindlecant and other is honestant

Honestants and Swindlecants I.- Back to the Logic Problems

These are typical logic problems which can be solved by using classic logic operations.

There are two kinds of people on a mysterious island. There are so-called Honestants who speak always the truth, and the others are Swindlecants who always lie.

Three fellows (A, B and C) are having a quarrel at the market. A gringo goes by and asks the A fellow: "Are you an Honestant or a Swindlecant?" The answer is incomprehensible so the gringo asks B: "What did A say?" B answers: "A said that he is a Swindlecant." And to that says the fellow C: "Do not believe B, he is lying!" Who is B and C?Spoiler for Solution

### #34

Posted 16 December 2008 - 07:26 PM

**A says…**

**B is…**

**C is…**

**Possible?**

**Reason**

h h h N B is lying, cannot be H

h h s N B is lying, cannot be H; C is telling the truth, should be H

h s h Y

h s s N B is telling the truth, should be H; C is telling the truth, should be H

s h h N A cannot say the truth that he is S; C is lying, cannot be H

s h s N A cannot say the truth that he is S

s s h N A cannot say the truth that he is S; B is telling the truth, should be H; C is lying, cannot be H

s s s N A cannot say the truth that he is S; B is telling the truth, should be H; C is telling the truth, should be H

**Edited by realitarian, 16 December 2008 - 07:28 PM.**

### #35

Posted 16 December 2008 - 07:40 PM

Another way to clarify the answer is to systematically explore all possible solution permutations using a truth table(since we have only three participants, we can afford to explore all of them quickly). Note the heading for A - we have to solve based on what A "said", not what A "is":

**A says…**------

**B is…**------

**C is…**------

**Possible?**------

**Reason**

h------------------h-------------h-----------N--------------B is lying, cannot be H

h------------------h-------------s-----------N--------------B is lying, cannot be H; C is telling the truth, should be H

h------------------s-------------h-----------Y

h------------------s-------------s-----------N--------------B is telling the truth, should be H; C is telling the truth, should be H

s------------------h-------------h-----------N--------------A cannot say the truth that he is S; C is lying, cannot be H

s------------------h-------------s-----------N--------------A cannot say the truth that he is S

s------------------s-------------h-----------N--------------A cannot say the truth that he is S; B is telling the truth, should be H; C is lying, cannot be H

s------------------s-------------s-----------N--------------A cannot say the truth that he is S; B is telling the truth, should be H; C is telling the truth, should be H

Conclusion: A could be either, B is 's' and C is 'h'.

**Edited by realitarian, 16 December 2008 - 07:40 PM.**

### #36

Posted 13 January 2009 - 04:03 PM

### #37

Posted 22 January 2009 - 10:08 AM

A mix up his answer which result to incomprehensible.

Liars misdirect people to avoid the truth.

if A is Honestants he would just say that he is,

but he did not.

so therefore

A is a Swindlecants.

LET'S GO TO B'S RESPONSE.

the Stranger simply asked B what A is saying.

the stranger than not say if he is a swindlecant or honestant.

C's Response

Liar would not kill his own kind.

so to avoid the truth to be known

he announced that b is swindlecant

then my answer is A&C is a swindlecant

& B is an honestant

### #38

Posted 26 October 2009 - 12:07 AM

### #39

Posted 09 July 2011 - 08:20 PM

ever wondered what A really said? what if A said "I didn't get your question..." or "can you repeat that for me"

B is entitled to make-up anything since he is a swindlecant. so it doesn't automatically mean that if B is a swindlecant, whatever he said was the opposite of what A said...

sorry for my english..

### #40

Posted 09 July 2011 - 08:25 PM

The fact is that A would be a honestant because b said A said that A is a swindlecant and because B is a swindlecant that means B was lying which means A really said that it was a honestant so A is a honestant. simple really.

because b said A said that A is a swindlecant and because B is a swindlecant that means B was lying which means A really said that it was a honestant >> wrong.. it doesn't work that way... "A" could have said "i don't wanna talk to you" and "B" can still say "A said he's a swindlecant....

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