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Death Note Mafia: Rematch


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#391 Yoruichi-san

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 05:56 AM

Unfortunately, the the DNH were able to correctly guess two names for their death notes, which gave them the voting majority and they won. Well played... <_<

One thing that I would add regarding this version is that Rem is not opposed to the DNH at all; he's really little more than a non-BTSC member. I think that it might work better if there were some reason for Rem to not want to follow along with Light. I was thinking that the DNH would need Rem dead in order to win or something. I like that idea because then, Light may need Rem's voting support to win a lynch vote, but Rem would be reluctant to follow along or something like that. Of course, Rem's win condition would need to be altered a little bit as there would be no way for Rem to win if Misa had to be alive. Either the TF would kill all the DNH (and Rem) or Light and the DNH would kill him...I mean, it definitely seems that Misa should be part of his win condition, but I couldn't think of an appropriate extension.

I was really annoyed that the DNH killed me off immediately, I had all sorts of plans for Wedy (and I'm sure that the TF did too. :o ) I guess I was just too much of a threat. B)) It was good to come back as Matsuda, but I felt kind of helpless in the middle, trying to figure out whom to trust. :wacko:

In any case, good game all and great hosting, Y-san! :D B))


Thanks. And you're right about both Rem and Wedy...I forgot to mention my thoughts about those (and probably other stuff I'll remember later...darn fever XP)...but yeah, I was thinking the Rem needs Misa to survive and Light dead (after Ryuk of course) before all the TF are dead or something along those lines.

And losing Wedy so early was a terrible blow to the TF. I was disappointed (sad) that Wedy didn't get any successful messages through in the first DNM, and in this one Wedy got killed immediately...what would have put the finishing touches on my hypothetical Aiber strat (where Aiber pretends to be Rem) would be to have someone secretly feed him correct roles through Wedy, and then he gives the false info to the DNH...

Oh, and your Matsuda playing was great...you made it so that the DNH didn't believe it...;P
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 08:29 AM

The final set of links...

Rules
Intro: Successful Drafts
Night One: If Looks Could Kill...;P
Day One: W-Interception
Night Two: With A Smile On His Face
Day Two: "Shinigami Chop!"
Night Three: A Rose By Any Other Name...Is Just As Thorny
Day Three: "Matsuda May Be The End Of Me"
Night Four: Sakura And The Candle
Day Four: From Dusk Til Dawn
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 10:41 AM

Thanks for the game and great narration :D
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 11:32 AM

Well done all - you certainly still had us worried, particularly the pesky Aiber!

One thing that I would add regarding this version is that Rem is not opposed to the DNH at all; he's really little more than a non-BTSC member. I think that it might work better if there were some reason for Rem to not want to follow along with Light. I was thinking that the DNH would need Rem dead in order to win or something. I like that idea because then, Light may need Rem's voting support to win a lynch vote, but Rem would be reluctant to follow along or something like that. Of course, Rem's win condition would need to be altered a little bit as there would be no way for Rem to win if Misa had to be alive. Either the TF would kill all the DNH (and Rem) or Light and the DNH would kill him...I mean, it definitely seems that Misa should be part of his win condition, but I couldn't think of an appropriate extension.


I agree that Rem is very pro-DNH, and obviously the DNH don't want either Ryuk or Rem to die. And the DNH's only mistake would be to accidentally kill him, but that can't happen because we'd have never written them in to the DN with a Shinigami name. I wonder if there's a way for the DNH to accidentally kill the Shinigami, maybe if the Shinigami die when they are wirtten into a note no matter what True name is written with them.

I was gutted that BL was Ryuk! I read his posts thinking "There's no way that the real Ryuk would say that about Bb" so he must be TF. We had Itachi as a possible Ryuk until then!

I was really annoyed that the DNH killed me off immediately, I had all sorts of plans for Wedy (and I'm sure that the TF did too. :o ) I guess I was just too much of a threat. B)) It was good to come back as Matsuda, but I felt kind of helpless in the middle, trying to figure out whom to trust. :wacko:


Of course we had to get Wedy off when we found you (which was definitely a lucky break) - Wedy is a very important role for the TF since it's the only real way for information to be secretly transferred between TF members. As for your second role, I couldn't believe you'd actually outed yourself to me, so we avoided guessing you last night! Sinitral posted his predictions on the Baddie forum yesterday with Dawh and Mekal correct and I said "No! Dawh2 is clearly trying to pretend to be other people, so it must be Mekal=Matsuda and dawh2=Aiber"

I was very tempted to come out as Rem myself, so that Rem could pretend to be me (so that the TF would lynch the wrong person today if luck didn't go our way) but was worried that dawh might have been Rem...I definitely think the way to win this game as the TF must be to discuss lots but really confuse the DNH about your role.

In any case, good game all and great hosting, Y-san! :D B))


Seconded. Great game and thanks muchly Y-san (even if you didn't include the Shinigami-King / Mogi sexual tension in the story. :lol:
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 01:14 PM

Amazing game, Y-san! Thanks for providing the great day post even with your fever :D Much appreciated!!!

I have got to say, I have never seen all the baddies get revealed in a mafia. Interesting turn of events... ;)

Looking forward to any other DNM's there might be!!!
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 01:17 PM

I had a lot of fun again playing DNM. It's too bad I abandoned my ploy to pretend to be L only after one of the baddies must have seen it. <_< I was trying to think of a better direction. Oh well. I was disappointed that L was so short lived again. I am curious to see how his messages could energize and direct the TF. How about this idea? If L is killed on the first night or voted for on the first day, He sends a TF member of his choice on a dangerous mission where they are impersonating L. He could get out, at least, two messages that way if his message was still broadcast even if written into the note. Only some thoughts, this DNM is definately not broken, the TF didn't have much of a chance after both of their modes of communication were eliminated by pure (bad) luck. Well played everyone, especially the DNH for getting into their roles. Very enjoyable. :D
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 01:23 PM

I agree that Rem is very pro-DNH, and obviously the DNH don't want either Ryuk or Rem to die. And the DNH's only mistake would be to accidentally kill him, but that can't happen because we'd have never written them in to the DN with a Shinigami name. I wonder if there's a way for the DNH to accidentally kill the Shinigami, maybe if the Shinigami die when they are wirtten into a note no matter what True name is written with them.


Since I'm pretty sure Y-San would stick to the actual show/manga, you can't kill a shinigami with a Death Note. The only way to kill a Shinigami is for them to fall in love with a human and then use their death note to save said human from dying (Which is one thing that confuses me about this game slightly since only by writing L's name in the death note does it kill Rem which I would think that by saving Misa period, Rem would die...But that's just me and this is Y-San's game). Or for them to completely slack off from their job as a Shinigami and stop writing names in their death note all together and wait for their life to end...

And continuing my thing about Rem. I think it should be that Rem would die no matter what TF member is written in the Death Note during the save. Because if L dies early (Such as with this game) then it becomes impossible to lynch Misa without first finding Rem...

Edited by Prince_Marth85, 23 November 2008 - 01:27 PM.

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 02:40 PM

First off thanks Y-San for the game and giving me the role of L (although I know it was random). I really enjoyed what short space of time I had in the game and really regretted going to bed early enough on Day 1 I might have been able to prevent all those votes stacking against me and I might have been able to live a bit longer.

It's a shame Wedy died on Night 1, it totally messed up my plan for Night 2. I agree with the DNH only having 1 vote manipulation ability and also that there should be something preventing Rem from just being on the side of the DNH as the way it turned out.

One thing I was thinking about is about Wedy. The fact they have no effect until Night 2 is a bit of a shame... could the role be altered so that Wedy can choose on Night 1 two people to link up on Day 1 instead? It's just that the TF have very few ways of communicating as it is, and I was wondering would a slight adjustment like that be a good idea? Or would it imbalance things too much?

But yeah thanks everyone for playing and PT thanks for saving me Day 1 :)

Edit: Well played DNH

Edited by Joe's Student, 23 November 2008 - 02:41 PM.

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 07:42 PM

Well done all - you certainly still had us worried, particularly the pesky Aiber!



I agree that Rem is very pro-DNH, and obviously the DNH don't want either Ryuk or Rem to die. And the DNH's only mistake would be to accidentally kill him, but that can't happen because we'd have never written them in to the DN with a Shinigami name. I wonder if there's a way for the DNH to accidentally kill the Shinigami, maybe if the Shinigami die when they are wirtten into a note no matter what True name is written with them.

I was gutted that BL was Ryuk! I read his posts thinking "There's no way that the real Ryuk would say that about Bb" so he must be TF. We had Itachi as a possible Ryuk until then!



Of course we had to get Wedy off when we found you (which was definitely a lucky break) - Wedy is a very important role for the TF since it's the only real way for information to be secretly transferred between TF members. As for your second role, I couldn't believe you'd actually outed yourself to me, so we avoided guessing you last night! Sinitral posted his predictions on the Baddie forum yesterday with Dawh and Mekal correct and I said "No! Dawh2 is clearly trying to pretend to be other people, so it must be Mekal=Matsuda and dawh2=Aiber"

I was very tempted to come out as Rem myself, so that Rem could pretend to be me (so that the TF would lynch the wrong person today if luck didn't go our way) but was worried that dawh might have been Rem...I definitely think the way to win this game as the TF must be to discuss lots but really confuse the DNH about your role.



Seconded. Great game and thanks muchly Y-san (even if you didn't include the Shinigami-King / Mogi sexual tension in the story. :lol:

Yeah, I outed myself to you to try to draw Rem's fire, and almost immediately after that, Brandonb sent out his instructions to Rem which left me hanging :angry: . I ended up choosing Sparanda for the apple and I was lucky that Rem guessed wrong. After the voting was over the next day, I realized that I could have caused the DNH a lot of trouble by pretending to be Rem, since you obviously didn't know who I was since you were trying to lynch me... :o

After that, I realized (and I tried to get others to realize <_< ) that our best chance was to confuse you all to the utmost about who actually held which role. That's why I claimed to be Mogi and then implied that I was Aiber. I was trying to get some sort of "I'm Spartacus" thing going, but no one followed my lead... :(

Well played in any case, since I didn't really place you as Mikami until you changed your vote.
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 09:49 PM

I agree that Rem is very pro-DNH, and obviously the DNH don't want either Ryuk or Rem to die. And the DNH's only mistake would be to accidentally kill him, but that can't happen because we'd have never written them in to the DN with a Shinigami name. I wonder if there's a way for the DNH to accidentally kill the Shinigami, maybe if the Shinigami die when they are wirtten into a note no matter what True name is written with them.

Seconded. Great game and thanks muchly Y-san (even if you didn't include the Shinigami-King / Mogi sexual tension in the story. :lol:


That's an interesting idea. I think I want it so that the DNH know whether or not the Shinigami are alive, b/c the interactions b/w DNH and Shinigami strategically are an important part of the role. But for Interlude, I was thinking of having a kind of 'redirect' role (maybe an alteration of Aiber) that could cause the Death Note to kill the person who the target is disguised as instead of the target.

I had a lot of fun again playing DNM. It's too bad I abandoned my ploy to pretend to be L only after one of the baddies must have seen it. <_< I was trying to think of a better direction. Oh well. I was disappointed that L was so short lived again. I am curious to see how his messages could energize and direct the TF. How about this idea? If L is killed on the first night or voted for on the first day, He sends a TF member of his choice on a dangerous mission where they are impersonating L. He could get out, at least, two messages that way if his message was still broadcast even if written into the note. Only some thoughts, this DNM is definately not broken, the TF didn't have much of a chance after both of their modes of communication were eliminated by pure (bad) luck. Well played everyone, especially the DNH for getting into their roles. Very enjoyable. :D


That's a very interesting idea. I'll think about that. One of my reasons for adding Naomi was so that if L was killed he could not only leave his information, but also instructions to Naomi. Maybe I can let Naomi send a message twice...hmmm....

And continuing my thing about Rem. I think it should be that Rem would die no matter what TF member is written in the Death Note during the save. Because if L dies early (Such as with this game) then it becomes impossible to lynch Misa without first finding Rem...


That's the way it already is...Rem dies during the save. Oh, wait...that's perfect! Rem dies if he ever votes for the same person as Misa...that should resolve the DNH/Rem voting block issue...

First off thanks Y-San for the game and giving me the role of L (although I know it was random). I really enjoyed what short space of time I had in the game and really regretted going to bed early enough on Day 1 I might have been able to prevent all those votes stacking against me and I might have been able to live a bit longer.

It's a shame Wedy died on Night 1, it totally messed up my plan for Night 2. I agree with the DNH only having 1 vote manipulation ability and also that there should be something preventing Rem from just being on the side of the DNH as the way it turned out.

One thing I was thinking about is about Wedy. The fact they have no effect until Night 2 is a bit of a shame... could the role be altered so that Wedy can choose on Night 1 two people to link up on Day 1 instead? It's just that the TF have very few ways of communicating as it is, and I was wondering would a slight adjustment like that be a good idea? Or would it imbalance things too much?

But yeah thanks everyone for playing and PT thanks for saving me Day 1 :)

Edit: Well played DNH


Actually, I like it that the first Night is simple, gives the DNH time to learn the ropes of the Death Note...but I do think there should be a role that can take on the responsibilities of another role (except L) that dies. I was thinking maybe Watari would do it after L dies...or I could make the game bigger I guess...(bring in Takada for a real cat-fight with Misa...hehe ;P)

Yeah, I outed myself to you to try to draw Rem's fire, and almost immediately after that, Brandonb sent out his instructions to Rem which left me hanging :angry: . I ended up choosing Sparanda for the apple and I was lucky that Rem guessed wrong. After the voting was over the next day, I realized that I could have caused the DNH a lot of trouble by pretending to be Rem, since you obviously didn't know who I was since you were trying to lynch me... :o

After that, I realized (and I tried to get others to realize <_< ) that our best chance was to confuse you all to the utmost about who actually held which role. That's why I claimed to be Mogi and then implied that I was Aiber. I was trying to get some sort of "I'm Spartacus" thing going, but no one followed my lead... :(

Well played in any case, since I didn't really place you as Mikami until you changed your vote.


Yeah, that was great...as you can see from FOTH's comments, the DNH were worried about you ;P.



Thanks everyone for your suggestions. They've been great and I welcome any more input you have :D.
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