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What is better - eternal bliss or a simple bread?


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#61 ADParker

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Posted 29 March 2008 - 06:02 AM

I like the twist on words, but if I look at it correctly, when you say "nothing" it should be given 2 meanings.

Yup :D

It's suggesting a case of Equivocation.

"What is better than eternal bliss? Nothing. But a slice of bread is better than nothing. So slice of bread is more than eternal bliss."

The first "Nothing" is saying that there is No Thing better than eternal bliss - thus that eternal bliss is the best Thing to have.
The second "Nothing" is saying that it is better to have bread than No thing at all - thus that bread is better than not having anything at all (zilch, nada, not-a-thing.)

The concluion therefore, is equivocating two very different uses of the word "Nothing" in the previous phrase.
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#62 beyond-logic

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Posted 30 March 2008 - 02:33 AM

It is simply a play on words.
One of my favourites ;)
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#63 achapra

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 10:50 PM

This is a variation on the "nine tails" paradox:

"No cat has eight tails.

Every cat has one tail more than no cat.



Therefore, every cat has nine tails".

"no cat" has 8 tails.
If there is "no cat" there is no tail. Therefore every cat has one tail, which is one tail more than no tail at all.
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#64 mgwilliams

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 03:11 PM

Look it's simple:

Bread + jam = short term bliss.
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#65 Morgath

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Posted 03 June 2008 - 07:01 PM

This is no paradox.

Having bread is better than having nothing.

If you have eternal bliss, then you do not have nothing.

Therefor bread is not better than eternal bliss.


You could look at it a similar way:

Have bread to eat, is better than having nothing to eat, (whereby you would be hungry)

You cannot have eternal bliss is you suffer from hunger. so if you have eternal bliss, then you are not hungry,
and therefore it matters not if you have no bread.

So, bread is not better than eternal bliss.
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#66 CodeBlu3

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Posted 27 June 2008 - 07:54 PM

Correct...

(statement)
Nothing is better than eternal bliss
Bread is better than nothing
Bread is better than eternal bliss

Nothing>eternal bliss
Bread>nothing
Bread>eternal bliss

Bread>nothing>eternal bliss
Bread>eternal bliss
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#67 VampTT

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 08:07 AM

Ok ... I see everyone’s input and in truth... a lot are correct.... but think of it as this. The English language is the most complex and difficult of languages. A word such as 'There' or 'Their' 'They're' all pronounced the same.... mean very different things.... or a word such as "Throw" which can mean the obvious.. To toss an object.... or to confuse some thing or someone. Similarly "fling" can mean Throw or ... can mean affair. Had the "paradox" been put into a correct English sentences. Such a "paradox" would not acor. What I mean is. We have taken the assumption that the first nothing (referring to pure bliss) really is the literal meaning of nothing. Rather then taking it in context which is, Bliss is BETTER then nothing. But so is bread. To be quite frank. to determine what is better is purely up to the person. some would prefer the bread... a survival of need and food. Thou others that are willing to give that thought or theory up may chose bliss, thou some may believe that pure bliss would include all life’s luxuries and the need to think of basics irrelevant.
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#68 taryn

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 10:44 AM

the best way to perceive the sense of these statements is to look at its converse, ie what it says if the sentence is permuted or reversed.

The original sentences were:

What is better than eternal bliss? nothing.
A slice of bread is better than nothing.

In actuality, what the first sentence is saying is that:
Nothing is better than eternal bliss.

But since there wasn't any ambiguity with the slice of bread statement, it is still better than nothing, but that isn't comparable to eternal bliss, since nothing is better than eternal bliss.

call me crazy, but I wouldn't take a leap of faith to decide eternal bliss over a slice of bread.
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#69 mooshupork

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 09:17 PM

What is better - eternal bliss or a simple bread? - Back to the Paradoxes

What is better than eternal bliss? Nothing. But a slice of bread is better than nothing. So slice of bread is more than eternal bliss.


There is a problem with this statement. Since nothing is better then eternal bliss. That mean eternal is better than all. But the phrase "better than nothing" is use to describe a slice of bread. That don't automatically make the bread better than eternal bliss. "Nothing" and "Better then nothing" have two different meaning. But if really want to argued that the bread is better than NOTHING, than that still don't mean the bread is MORE THAN eternal bliss. All it really mean is it is only better then NOTHING. This statement is created to confuse the confused. LOL.

If this is still confusing, rephrase the statement:

There is nothing better then eternal bliss. Not even a slice of bread.

but...

A slice of bread is better than having nothing.
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#70 Josh Leon

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 08:13 PM

One word - Context..

In the context of eternal bliss (a realm apart from this world)
the issue of food is irrelevant.

In the context of this world where physical hunger and physical
food as sustenance are realities, simple bread is better than nothing (starving).

Edited by Josh Leon, 18 July 2008 - 08:16 PM.

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