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What is better - eternal bliss or a simple bread?


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#41 rookie1ja

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Posted 14 November 2007 - 10:16 AM

Not truly a paradox, as "nothing" is double-defined.

In saying "nothing" is better than eternal bliss, "nothing" equals the empty set - there are no elements in the set that is greater than nothing.

Saying bread is better than nothing, the metaphor is of human hunger. Here, "nothing" contains the human animal state of "hungry".

The two sets of "nothing" are not compared equally. A paradox requires that two sets are identical and contain competing elements.


as I mentioned a few lines above - it is listed as a sophism

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 06:14 PM

I think "nothing" is a very general word and from the english language atleast it is hard to put it into one certain term. I think there is some way to change up the wording so that it is possible
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#43 Lilly

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 07:18 PM

What is better-eternal bliss not eternal bread. Play of words there. No doubt eternal bliss.
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Posted 21 November 2007 - 04:35 AM

Define the following:

-Eternal Bliss
-Nothing
-condition of bread

But if it were not moldy cheese bread, then that would be the best by far.
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#45 sijibijiji

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 06:42 PM

it all depends on the persons opinion.
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#46 kraven

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 12:12 PM

What is better than eternal bliss? Nothing. But a slice of bread is better than nothing. So slice of bread is more than eternal bliss.


from my point of understanding What is better than eternal bliss? Nothing.
means that eternal bliss is ranked #1. the "nothing" there says that all things are second to eternal bliss

while

slice of bread is better than nothing means that the bread is a better choice than not getting anything. the "nothing" on that statement means simply zero..

so as a conclusion... the "nothing" on the first statement is different from the "nothing" on the second statement.
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#47 japchms1342

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 06:12 PM

this ones a play on words too because nothing can be better than the best but nothing can also be worse than the worst
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Posted 30 November 2007 - 11:48 PM

What is better - eternal bliss or a simple bread? - Back to the Paradoxes

What is better than eternal bliss? Nothing. But a slice of bread is better than nothing. So slice of bread is more than eternal bliss.


(I) First, anyone can write anything and say it is true, whether it is valid or not. Just because someone can write the statements: 0 > 1, or solve for x in x/0, or even "I think, therefore I do not exist", it doesn't necessarily mean they are true or even valid in the first place.

(II) Most arguments made here seem to point out that the statements and/or questions given are faulty or invalid in some way, hence nullifying them. They conclude that if the questions are invalid, there's no need to answer them. This is probably the safest and the easiest way out of the this mess.

(III) If the validity of the statements and question is not in debate and we are asked to assume they're true above all, then we must also agree on the definition of the terms used. Does nothing = 0? Does nothing = non-existence? Does "better" also mean "greater than"? etc.

With that in mind (assumption of validity and truth and agreement to the definition of terms), we are given two facts, or truths:
0 > e (nothing is better than eternal bliss)
b > 0 (bread is better than nothing)

Which when written as one statement, b > 0 > e, clearly shows that:
b > e (bread is better than eternal bliss) is also true.

But what does it all mean then?!

Simple: It is better to exist as a slice of bread, or not exist at all, than it is to exist in eternal bliss.

I mean, if this so-called "eternal bliss" is less than zero, what good is it then?

But eternal bliss is supposed to be a good thing, by definition! Isn't this a given and well understood property of bliss?
Yes, it is. And since this wouldn't make sense if the givens are valid and true, it begs the question:
Is this a clue, a hint, that maybe eternal bliss doesn't really exist to begin with?!!

..maybe you shouldn't believe the hype!!!
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#49 glassguy62

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 04:42 AM

The issue here is one of logic, and in this case, the logic is fundamentally flawed. To say that nothing is better than Eternal Bliss may or may not be correct. I cannot say because I have yet to experience any such thing as Eternal Bliss. And as there remains a multitude of other things that I have likewise not experienced, to which all other things would have to be compared (according to some as yet undefined criteria that everyone must somehoe agree upon), I can only presume that Eternal Bliss would indeed be better than anything else. That said, I shall presume that this is the case, and that "nothing" is better than Eternal Bliss, which is to say that there is no (known) thing which is better than Eternal Bliss. Next, I will likewise presume that a slice of bread is better than nothing. It is at this point that the "puzzle" makes an invalid presumption—namely that "nothing" is "something." This is clearly not true. "Nothing" is precisely what it professes to be—it is nothing. The statement, as it is written is intended to convey the idea that there is not any thing (i.e. no thing, or "nothing") that is better than Eternal Bliss, and that to have a slice of bread is better than to have no thing(s) at all. The problem lies in the flaws in the English language, whereby the word nothing, which is intended to signify an undefined, abstract concept, is taken to refer to some specific thing, which it does not. This is then followed by yet another invalid assumption, when the "paradox" leaps to the conclusion that if thing (A) is better than thing (B.), then thing © must also be better than thing (B.). The conclusion that the "paradox" reaches presumes that in order for a slice of bread to be better than nothing, it must also be better than Eternal Bliss, since nothing is better than Eternal Bliss. It states that "Therefore, a slice of bread is better than Eternal Bliss..." But, this conclusion disregards the original assertion that a slice of bread is better than nothing. Based on this original assertion, in order for the conclusion to be true, Eternal bliss would have to be the same as nothing, which it is not. There is no paradox here, there is only flawed logic.
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 09:43 PM

This is no paradox. You can't quantify "better".
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